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Orph

05-04-2003 10:20:05




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9 N was not charging. Pulled generator off and to the shop. Found internal wire almost frayed to the point of being totally broke. Repair made. Generator then tested and output checked ok.

Remounted but still the same as before. Put multimeter on the external wire lead off generator. At full throttle shows barely 1/2 volt. I'm I testing voltage output correctly ?

Any ideas ?




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Dell (WA)

05-04-2003 10:54:57




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 Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to Orph, 05-04-2003 10:20:05  
Orph..... ..if you mean you connected your voltmeter to the 3rd brush genny output terminal with all the other genny wiring connected and you got just 1/2 volt?

Disconnect the tractor wiring from the genny. If you get the same voltage that you got from a bench test (and how did you do your bench test?) then your 1/2 volt is probably the result of a bad roundcan cut-off relay (internal short) and your genny body oughtta get hot to touch.

If you're saying that the genny outputed 1/2 volt with NO WIRING CONNECTED, then there is something wrong with your genny and your bench test..... ...respectfully, Dell

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orph

05-04-2003 11:49:25




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 Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to Dell (WA), 05-04-2003 10:54:57  
Dell:

Thanks for your reply, but the plot thickens. After reading your reply, I went back out to look at things. ( Earlier, had ran the tractor no more than 2 minutes when I was checking the output, or at least I thought I was checking it ). Regardless, it was 1.5 hours since it ran. Generator was so hot you could not keep your hand on it. Immediately disconnected the battery.

What I had not mentioned earlier, is that a week or two ago, when I saw no charge on the ammeter, and the battery failed to take a charge, I assumed the battery had gone bad as it was 4 years old. This am, stuck the new battery in. When the ammeter showed "0", I then put the multimeter on the generator and got the low reading. At that point, I posted my original post here. So, new battery, alternator shows low output, and now I have one very warm alternator.

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Dell (WA)

05-04-2003 13:44:17




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to orph, 05-04-2003 11:49:25  
Orph..... .what Claus said..... ..and.....
Your roundcan cut-off relay at the bottom of your steering column is suppost to disconnect the generator from the battery when the engine stops the genny from gennin'. That is what keeps the battery from dischargeing thur the generator and making the generator HOT.

Naturally, the genny MUST connect to the battery via the cut-off relay in order to charge the battery. Which I believe was your original complaint and you assumed it was a problem of your 4 yo battery. (well maybe)

You do realize your 9N 6 volt battery is suppost to be "positive grounded" don't you? And that your cut-off relay has to be "polarized" to whatever or however your battery is grounded. All it takes is to briefly arc/spark across the 2-terminals of the roundcan cut-off. (with say the metal handles of a pair pliers)

And you polarize with engine OFF, and can do it as many times as you want. (briefly arc/spark the 2-terminals)

DON'T confuse the 9N's roundcan cut-off relay with the 9N's roundcan starter switch. (hint: starter switch has BIG as your thumb wires and one goes to the battery and other BIG WIRE goes to the starter motor terminal) Jumping the starter terminals will give you lesson in arc-welding (grin)

And don't forget your cut-off relay could have been the problem all along..... ..... Dell

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Orph

05-04-2003 14:12:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to Dell (WA), 05-04-2003 13:44:17  
Thanks again ! Yep, got the positive terminal of the battery to ground.

Got another question: If all I did was remove the generator and replaced only a bad ( nearly broken ) wire, and subsqeuently put in a new battery, would this then require to "re-polarize" the cut off relay ?

I bought the tractor in 1998 and have used it extensively since then, but on an infequent basis. When I purchased it in 1998, this cut-off relay looked relatively new then. Can these relays go bad and if so, would this cause the reverse current flow , which made for a toasty generator ?

Thanks Again Guys !

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Claus

05-04-2003 14:46:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to Orph, 05-04-2003 14:12:54  
Contrary to popular opinion, cutout relays and voltage regulators are not polarized. The field coils in the generator are polarized. This polarity can change when bench testing if one does not take care. I recommend you repolarize the generator by connecting a jumper wire from one side of the cutout relay to the other momentarily.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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Dell (WA)

05-04-2003 14:46:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to Orph, 05-04-2003 14:12:54  
Orph..... ..yep, any and all electrical stuff can go bad for any or no reason. Its not too surprizing it went bad. And you MUST polarize your new cut-off relay too. And you can polarize your current cut-off relay, but I suspect its BAD already.

As I said, you can polarize your cut-off relay as many times you feel the need, and every time you remove your generator or your battery, its good practice to re-polarize..... ...Dell

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Orph

05-04-2003 15:00:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to Dell (WA), 05-04-2003 14:46:01  
Well, I guess ya never stop learning ! Never knew about the repolarization bit ! If I do this bit with the relay, how will I know it worked-look at the ammeter? If it ( Cut-off Relay ) is kapput, are they readily avialable ( Did not see them in the on line catelog here ) ?

Thanks again and again !



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Claus

05-04-2003 12:36:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N- Not charging in reply to orph, 05-04-2003 11:49:25  
Check the output voltage with the wire going to the cutout relay disconnected. You may have the polarity of the battery reversed or you did not polarize the generator.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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