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2NTim

05-05-2003 06:12:47




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OK...for the last 3 years, we've hayed about 30 acres or so of our land. We've got horses, so this keeps our expenses down.
Every year one of our "volunteers" (who get tougher to find as the years roll by...can't imagine why ;=)) suggests using a big fan in the loft to keep the temperature down to a point where humans can exist. My response has always been an emphatic NO...are you nuts?!
The thought of all that hay dust and a wide open motor scares me. Am I the one that's nuts?
What about using it as an "intake" fan at one end? Still an exposion hazard?

Thanks in advance for your responses...I know I can trust the advice given here!

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Darrel(ok)

05-05-2003 23:42:31




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
No one has mentioned this, but you could set up a used water cooler without the water. The mesh sides would filter out the dust and keep it from getting inside the blower or motor area. At the end of the day you could take the mesh side panels off and spray them out with a water hose and reinstall them.



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Hal/WA

05-05-2003 18:50:16




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
One thing that really helps is giving the extremely hot air someplace to go by putting in openable windows or doors as near as possible to the peak of the roof. The bigger the opening, the better. If you do this to both ends of the building, you might even get some cross ventilation. A cheap box fan in a window opening pushing outside air into the barn would really help a lot and I would not think that it would come in contact with much dust. Moving air is a lot easier to work in when it is hot. Lots of haymows I have worked in have almost no air movement at all.

I have heard of hay dust igniting explosively, but have never actually seen it, or the results of it. Most of the haybarn fires I am aware of have been from bad wiring or wet hay spontaneously combusting. Or kids smoking or fooling with fireworks or just playing with matches.

That stacking of hay in the peak of a barn is rough duty. I always hated it, especially in the afternoon. Sweat would just roll off everyone and mix with hay dust. We often went swimming in the late afternoons in haying season. But opening up the peak helped a lot in our barn.

On many large, old barns, they built cupolas (sp?) near the center of the roof at the peak. The cupolas had louvers that excluded birds, but let the hot, rising air out. I hayed for one of our neighbors in high school that had one of those barns with a cupola that was in good repair. It really helped the heat problem and as the barn was filled, you could actually feel a slight breeze upward near the cupola.

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Fessman

05-05-2003 17:02:13




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
Tim,

If you use on open motor (common on air compressors) you could get dust into the motor. Then the dust in the motor could ignite. If you get a TEFC motor it is totally enclosed, and will keep dust out. If your motor got covered with dust it could get hot enough to ignite the the dust. If you get an explosion proof motor it will have thermals in it, and if wired properly, will shut down before getting hot enough to ignite the dust. With some good housekeeping practices you should be able to use a TEFC motor.

Fessman

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FC

05-05-2003 13:06:14




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
Some ac electric motors do not create any kind of spark (I.E. psc motors with a mounted starting capacitor and no centrifugal starting device). Using this type motor should not create any kind of hazard, but as others have said you can get an explosion proof (simply a sealed motor). Use the fan to "pull" clean air in. This should not suck dust through the motor (not a good idea anyway for life of your motor). Another good source is poultry operations (at least in this area). These "poultry fans" are meant to operate in a dusty environment for extended periods and use sealed motors. As you can imagine they operate in severe environments and the ones the company I work for manufactures have stainless steel parts with special paint to withstand the "environment" (read that manure) they operate in.

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duey

05-05-2003 12:24:51




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
Tim, have you seen motors described as 'TEFC'? I believe it means Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled.

A motor with that rating, and they're fairly common, should be safe in a dusty environment.... duey



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tim in nc

05-05-2003 11:08:14




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
we use a huge blower i found in the junk pile several years ago.wired up a 3/4 hp motor to it with a 1 1/2 pully on it and the blower has a 16 inch wheel. all the folks that help me always make fun of having the only air condition barn in the county.i wouldn't think there would be no more danger in running the fan than the hay elevator witch has the same kind of motor on it,and the dust is not as bad as you would think.

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bg

05-05-2003 07:31:04




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 Re: OT Safety Question in reply to 2NTim, 05-05-2003 06:12:47  
Get a hog-house ventilator fan with a sealed"explosion-proof" motor. You can probably find one used at some bankrupt hog farm.

But, wait a minute! Sweating to death in a hayloft is rite of passage, isn't it? Tel 'em to get tough! Next thing they'll be wanting air-conditioning and Gator-Ade....



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Jim

05-05-2003 08:48:58




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 Re: Re: OT Safety Question in reply to bg, 05-05-2003 07:31:04  
BG I just got through reading where you were flaming Ploughman for looking for some tractor lites and now you are reccommending Hog House fans?
I really have no problem with anyone looking for anything but I will ask you to think about it and give us a little slack and maybe a little less policing.
I am not trying to criticise but only pointing out that it sometimes makes a difference and "depends on whose oxen is being gored" whether it is O.K. or not.
respectfully
Jim

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bg

05-05-2003 12:12:52




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 Re: Re: Re: OT Safety Question in reply to Jim , 05-05-2003 08:48:58  
You'd better get your information right. I did not "flame" anyone. I asked a simple question. I was wondering if someone had changed the rules....If you want to jump on someone, jump on Earl, who responded by "flaming" me. Who's being the police here? Now you're jumping in and wanting to be the "police" with me....

I see a difference if someone wants basic information about a general topic and at least has the foresight to post it as OT, and someone who says he wants to buy "x-item", especially when it's not clear if it even applies to the subject at hand.

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Paul (WI)

05-06-2003 05:08:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Safety Question in reply to bg, 05-05-2003 12:12:52  
BG, Are you by chance, the Bob G. who posted on the N Tractor Club Site, and bragged about causing trouble on the YT Tractor site? If this is true, you will probably tell me to get my information right, since that messsage has been removed from the N Tractor Club Site. I guess that it is a good thing that I printed that post out.



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bg

05-06-2003 16:11:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Safety Question in reply to Paul (WI), 05-06-2003 05:08:35  
You'd better get your information right. The post is still there, in the OT forum. It wasn't "bragging." Go back and read the post. I merely stated the situation. I said that I guessed that I'd "PO-ed" them at YT. I never flamed anyone, as it seems you are trying to do to me right now.



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