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Ron

05-06-2003 10:22:20




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I have a 48 8N that blows oil out of the fill tube and smokes heavily. The local rebuild guy i coldwater mi wants about 2k to rebuild with new clutch. Is this too much? By the time I fix the leaky hubs (brakes), fix the 3 point hydrolics, etc I'll have about 3k in it. Should I just buy a functional tractor for around $2500?




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Ron

05-07-2003 07:44:46




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
I trully appreciate the feedback. More facts to consider:
The mechanic is a local hero that has been doing rebuilding engines of all sorts for the last 30 years with a full shop and dip tank-excellent reputation. The tractor is still functional and I just disked 6 acres twice last weekend, but there is a new knock in the engine.
I will do a compression check, haven't yet.
I grew up working on local farms and have helped rebuild the top half of engines years ago with my dad but never a full rebuild by myself, (I would really like to but live 2 hrs from my 35acres, making time would be a challenge)

How long would it take a person thats usually pretty mechanical to tear down the tractor and remove the engine--is it longer to replace the engine?

Thanks alot-
Ron

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Week N Warrior (MS/MO)

05-06-2003 19:20:05




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
I prefer to do my own rebuilds myself.
But I take it you would rather have someone else do it.
You might should shop around.
Also, consider maybe removing and installing the engine yourself. If you can do that you should be able to save a lots.
One thing to consider is once all the work is do you will have an almost new tractor.
Where if you go out a buy another one you might just be buying someone else's problems.
Boy, I should have been a mechanic. I'd love to be making $80 an hour :]

Carl

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dhermesc

05-07-2003 07:00:54




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 Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Week N Warrior (MS/MO), 05-06-2003 19:20:05  
Most places here in Kansas charge $40.00 to $45.00 per hour. I don't mind paying that as long as its a TRAINED mechanic working on it. They have an wages, tools and a shop to pay for, so all in all its not bad. Its the idiots that strip your spark plug threads and charge you for their half a**ed repair that that feel my wrath. A good mechanic is worth every penny, a lousy, sloppy mechanic isn't worth a d***.

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Rob

05-06-2003 16:39:09




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
$3,000 for an 8N with all that work isn't all that bad. Lot's of guys pay $2,500+ for an N with unknown hours on the engine, functional hydraulics, and hubs that could start leaking any day.
Fine engine shop just yesterday told me to bring my engine in and they would rebuild it for $1,500. I told em phooie that's no fun for me! I have more time then money anyway. I don't know if they would split the tractor or what.

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Evil Steve

05-06-2003 12:37:14




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
If you have a total (including what you paid for her) of $3k in her when all that's done, you'd be in great shape. $4K ain't awful if she's in perfect operating condition all over.

But, as others have suggested, you need to make your decision based on what you need the tractor for. Ns are fun little tractors, but have some limitations.



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chuck

05-06-2003 12:11:47




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
Ron, It all depends on your personal needs. I prefer to rebuild so I know what I have and then can take care of it my way from "new". Unless you get a warranty with a "rebuilt" tractor, you are trusting that what you are told is true. Most come with "outta sight" warranties.

chuck
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Jerry (AL)

05-06-2003 12:01:05




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
Man, I could buy a lot of oil and a gas mask if necessary for $2000.

But it all comes down to the issue of do you want to do it, do you have the money, and do you not have the time to work on it yourself?

BTW, that price is pretty steep compared to the prices around here in NW Alabama.



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Lee

05-06-2003 11:53:44




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
Ron, Just to give you more info. to go on I've looked into the things you've mentioned that your tractor needs. Here in Missouri I found a local tractor repair and dealership that will rebuild an 8N engine for $1200. That includes turning the crank, new sleeves, new pistons and rings, new valves, carb rebuild, new clutch etc. Thorough job and he has a good reputation. Rear axle seals are $100 each to replace.
Good luck with whatever you decide, Lee

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Dell (WA)

05-06-2003 10:51:21




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
Ron..... ...What make you think you need an engine rebuild? Did you do a compression test, dry then wet? Just blowin' and smokin' oil doesn't mean a whole lot. Is it eazy to start? Does it have enuff power to do what you want it to do? What else did you forget to tell us about?

BTW..... ..an already commercially "re-built" N-Engine is only about $1300 (plus shipping) and the parts are about $200 and machine shop work about $200. Wonder what parts your mechanic is gold plating and diamond studing? And remember, N-Tractors were designed for repair by horsefarmers. I realize not all N-Owners are willing mechanics, but $2000? Is that $100/hr shop time or flatrate?

And NO, you're NOT gonna get a $2500 functional tractor thats better than your $3000+ rebuild which will be good for at least 25+ years..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Rick H. Ga.

05-06-2003 12:27:57




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 Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Dell (WA), 05-06-2003 10:51:21  
Hi Dell, just a little friendly debate here.

You always seem to offer excellent advice and great N expertise. You and your knowledge about N’s are highly revered on this forum.

Now the debate…..

I’m not sure what you were referring to in regards to the prices you mentioned. However, if your suggested price of $200 for parts is for a quality, N engine rebuild kit then I got cheated big-time a couple of years ago; I paid $500 + for a quality, complete engine rebuild kit. The $200 for machine work is about right, depending on how much work is done.

$1300 is not a bad price for a commercially (completely) rebuilt engine if it is a quality rebuild, but what about the mechanic work involved in removing the old engine and installing the new one?

Ron seems to want to avoid any heavy mechanic work and at $1300 plus the labor to remove the old engine and install the new one plus the clutch assembly, the cost might approach $2000 anyway.

Maybe professional mechanic work rates are inflated in my area. The going price around here is about $80 + an hour at a reputable shop. Best regards. Rick H. Ga.

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uh . . . Dell (WA)

05-06-2003 19:37:42




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Rick H. Ga., 05-06-2003 12:27:57  
Rick..... ...no debate..... .I said....."parts are about $200 and machine shop work about $200".....the operative word is.....ABOUT.....not exactly $$$.

And since we don't really know all the circumstances relating to Ron's inquiry, I wanted to cause him to re-think his rebuild situation. I suspect that if he was confortable with the mechanic's overhaul "quote" of $2000, he would NOT have asked the question and we wouldn't be having this debate.

An experienced mechanic should be able to R&R an N-Engine in 1 hr..... .....respectfully, Dell

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An hour?????

05-07-2003 04:10:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to uh . . . Dell (WA), 05-06-2003 19:37:42  
An experienced mechanic should be able to R&R an N-Engine in 1 hr..... .....respectfully, Dell

Where did you come up with that time? I'd like to see that !!!



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me, too......bg

05-08-2003 05:58:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to An hour?????, 05-07-2003 04:10:44  
The I&T Flat rate manual lists a minimum of 17.8 hours for a complete engine/clutch overhaul. And that's for someone who access to all of the special tools and machine shop stuff. You'd have to be pretty speedy to get it down to 1 hour.



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hey bg.....

05-08-2003 15:14:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to me, too......bg, 05-08-2003 05:58:40  
You spelled "you'd have to" wrong. It should be "you haffta".

I gotta get me one of them there mananals. I'll bet dat der thin is cheeep. $29, getcha one and reddit. Bet icud doit innna hour.

Tyman



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Rick H. Ga.

05-06-2003 10:46:50




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 Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Ron, 05-06-2003 10:22:20  
Hi Ron,

If it is any consolation to you, the parts alone to thoroughly overhaul an N engine run around $500. Then, there is the machine work and other miscellaneous parts and supplies. Also, professional mechanic labor is not cheap and a good mechanic is worth every dime they charge.

If an N owner has to pay someone else to work on his or her tractor, it can get real expensive in a hurry.

In my opinion, $2000 for a “complete and thorough” engine overhaul with everything replaced including a new oil pump, clutch, pressure plate and through-out bearing is not a bad price. The key words here are complete and thorough rebuild.

Your suggestion about finding another tractor in better condition might not be a bad idea. I think you can find an 8N that has been recently restored/overhauled for around $3500 -$4000. HTH. Rick H. Ga.

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dhermesc

05-06-2003 12:18:23




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 Re: Re: 8n rebuid in reply to Rick H. Ga., 05-06-2003 10:46:50  
I agree it is high but, if this is being done in a dealership shop it's about what it runs. If they do the thorough job they say they will you can easily go 20 years with only oil changes. Some shade tree mechanics can do it cheaper, but I would be very selective, a poor rebuild is money down a hole. The key is a written guarantee, no reputable mechanic would have a problem with that as long as you allow him to do the repairs as needed.

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