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What The JD Folks Say

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RICK/GA

05-08-2003 16:52:01




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I posted the question on this forum several weeks ago and got some great answers that all seemed to make complete cense. Then I thought I'd ask the JD folks to see if they could control themselves from ripping the Fords. I posted the same question on May 5. I was pleasantly surprised to find that it seems like all the answers were honest ones. Seems like the biggest complaint was the brakes, power and weight of the tractor. I think they were pretty much all thinking about the N tractors and not later 100 series or 01 series. The later tractors (After Ns) seemed to fix each one of these problems (My opinion). Maybe so many years of the Ns and Ford couldn't overcome the reputation. On this forum and the JD post it seems consistant that the Fords are great tractors on small farms with light jobs. That sounds just great to me because with my 8N, 740 and 841 on my 5 little wooded acres I don't think that I'll stop buying old Fords and making them look good and work great.

I really enjoyed everyones opinion on both forums.

RICK/GA

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Lyle (Sask)

05-09-2003 07:53:36




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
Well Call me a late conversion to the world of fords ...

When I grew up on the farm in the 70's we used JD 4020's as our primary tractor. In it's size it's a well known classic. With the power shift tranny it was a fabulous loader tractor, and with the injection pump tweaked by the local dealership it was a field working fool (>115 HP).

Us and most of the neighbours always had what was called a chore tractor around the place: used for hauling manure, haying, harrowing, and other light duty work.

Ours was a JD 60 low seat std. It was a great tractor, especially for baling with the live pto and hand clutch.

Around the yard itself we used the venerable JD 110 garden tractor with a rototiller, and mower.

Our Neighbour had a D case. I always admired the power that that sucker had, and how smooth it's engine was.

Being a geek I did some research on the net before getting a tractor for my newly acquired 17 acre place last year. (Yep I escaped from the city in 2001 after almost 20 years off the farm)

It didn't take long to figure out that a small, simple 3pt hitch equipped tractor was what I needed and the 2N I got fit the bill to the T.

I agree that to some extent it's an apples and oranges comparison. The Deere's I grew up with were Field Working fools, the N is a wonderful companion in and around the yard.

I think part of the reason I didn't see more of them growing up was that in our area, Ford, didn't establish AG dealers with the same coverage as Massey, IH, Case, and JD. And to a farmer in those days, the proximity and service of a local dealer made the difference between being down for a couple of hours, vs a whole day at critical seasons of the year.

Now some day I hope to find a 60 Low seat std, and restore it, more as a tribute to my dad, and momento of where I learned what Tractoring meant.

Would one be practical around my place, not as much as the N, but with a loader, I"m sure it would see some good use.

Besides, just think what would happen if you tried mowing a lawn with a JD R... Your poor grass would be pounded underground by the weight of the Beast, and on a wet day, you'd be creating some wonderful ruts ... :D

It's all about the right tool for the Job, and the N is a wonderful package that balances size, flexibility, and reliability into a stylish package.

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Ford 8N Guy

05-09-2003 16:07:21




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 Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to Lyle (Sask), 05-09-2003 07:53:36  
"JD 110 garden tractor "

omg...we used to have one of those...till i seized the engine...hehe!!



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JerryU

05-09-2003 04:25:01




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
Do you like gray or green. Personal preference. For sheer numbers, Ford works. It was light years ahead of its time. Generally the JD tractors were larger. JD made an M and MT series from late 40's to early 50's that were comparable in size to the Ford, although they were only a two cylinder (vertical, not horizontal) and were a good reliable tractor. Drawback was no draft control and a proprietary hitch configuration. 3pt conversions are available or simple to make using Ford lift arms.

I don't know, I have a 9N and like it for mucking around the 6 acres, I would like to get a JD M for the fun of it and I have a JD lawn tractor, so who knows. Whatever makes you smile.

JU

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Jim Cox SW Missouri

05-08-2003 21:03:12




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
in the past week I have cleaned up landscaping with a late Ford 28HP, and tornado debris with a 40 HP Deere. I have never, nor probably never will farm a hunk of land anywhere in this fine country, but if I was movin' dirt full time for a living, i'd take the Blue over the Green. Go back 50 years, I'd take the gray over the green too. If I was to farm, green might make more sense, but i'll probably never know
Jim Cox
Still alive in SW Missouri

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Al

05-08-2003 20:12:12




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
Hey Rick,how did you make out with your tranny?



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RICK GA

05-09-2003 03:38:15




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 Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to Al, 05-08-2003 20:12:12  
Hey Al:

Drove all the way to SOuth GA to pick up the tranny case and they had one out for the Jub only. They found one in a different tractor and have pulled in out for me. One of my employees has a project within 30 miles of the salvage yard and will pick it up in two weeks. My engine is in the shop and is getting new pistons, sleeves, bearing, timing set. It's getting closer! That tranny case really slowed me down. That's OK though since I am still building a barn for these tractors.

I'll keep ya'll posted.

RICK GA

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If it Runs Like a Deere, then it Smells like a John...PloughNman

05-08-2003 18:54:27




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
Most JD guys I've met are rude and narrow-minded. I love the sound of the 2-cylinder Johnny-Poppers, but wouldn't trade my 8N for anything, especially if it's green and yellow.

TD



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This is what my 8n thinks of JD................dave#1

05-08-2003 18:25:48




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
third party image

LOL

I posted this pic on the JD board a couple of years ago, man were they PO'd

later,dave



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Ohiosteve

05-08-2003 17:50:56




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
I grew up on a small beef farm in Ohio in the '60's. The only tractor we had was a '52
JD B. In my opinion it was the most poorly
engineered tractor I have ever encountered.
We have a term in our family- "John Deere engineering". We use it every time we see something that is so totally ill conceived that
it defies logic.
When I graduated from college and got a real job
I decided to buy my own tractor. I ended up with
a Ford 800. I was amazed that everything worked
so smoothly and it STARTED EVERY TIME! I now have
three Fords a 3600, a 1510 and a 2N. I love them
all!

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Dave 2N

05-08-2003 18:52:00




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 Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to Ohiosteve, 05-08-2003 17:50:56  
ohiosteve-
curious as to why you call the JD B poorly engineerd?????
just wondering and not trying to start a debate as I have gray ones, red ones and green and yellow ones.



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Ohiosteve

05-09-2003 04:28:39




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 Re: Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to Dave 2N, 05-08-2003 18:52:00  
Dave, It is 7AM so I could probably spend all morning
describing my disgust with the old B but I'll hit
the highlights. First, those splined axels with the
"clamp" that was supposed to keep them in place.
The wheels would wander in and out on that axel
no matter how tight those bolts were. The most
important tool we had in the toolbox was a piece
of chaulk to mark the position of the wheel.
Second, the muffler. Have you ever changed a muffler on one of those letter series? Most people
had the sense to just cut a hole in the sheet metal so they could access the bolts. If not it was a half day job just to install a new muffler.
Third, those brake drums spinning at your feet,
just waiting to snag a stray shoe lace! These are
just a few - I'm sure I could go on and on. The JD B we had was a '52 and we had it in the '60's which to me was still quite new. It was
very undependable. In spite of several visits back
to the dealer it would rarly start, especially
not when you neede it most. One of my most vivid memories is pull starting that #@&*^ thing with
the old Willys Jeep. Sometimes it started sometimes not. Anyhow, once I got the Ford those
nasty experiences stopped. Sorry for the long post.

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Dave 2N

05-09-2003 05:43:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to Ohiosteve, 05-09-2003 04:28:39  
Steve-
Thanks for the reply.
I think that comapring Ford N's to JD's is like trying to compare apples to oranges; they are different tractors and suited to different purposes. But ngineering differences are certainly evident, some of them good and some bad, for both makes. I have a 46 Ford 2N that is the handiest thing going for light chore work around my place, like plowing the garden and moving stuff around for Mom and her flower beds. (I am not a farmer but have 45 acres and use my tractors as needed.) I have hogged with it and it does the job but in some places it's not well suited to my hills. But I sure love this tractor and it's a real blast to take to a tractor club plow day, plowing right out there amongst the big green and yellow tractors.
Having said that, my second tractor that I owned (back in 1971) was a 48 JD B. My rear wheels stayed right in place, so much so that it was about impossible to loosen the hub to move them. And yes, I've changed a muffler on a B and have often wondered why JD made muffler changing so complicated. Ther had to be someone working at JD at that time who could have come up with a better idea. But if you think changing a muffler on a JD is complicated, wait till you have to replace a radiator core. Fasten your seat belt for this particlular fix because it's a job!!!
But---I like my JD B, A and 70 just as much as I like my Ford 2N and 8N and my Farmall Super C, Super H and Super M. They all have their good and bad points. It's sort of like trying to decide what is better: a Ford, Dodge, Chevy or GMC pickup truck.
My suspicion is that you had a JDB that needed some work done on it; like the Fords, if everything is tuned-up and the electrical components are "bright and tight," of the carb is good, most tractors will start easily.
In all of the years that I have used two cylinder JD's, I can honestly say that those brake drums down by my feet have never been a problem. In fact, when it's time to re-do the brakes, it's a much easier job on a JD than on a Ford. Ever changed brakes on an N? What about renewing a clutch? On the N you have to split the tractor but on a JDB you need a Cresent wrench, needle nose pliers, some new cotter pins and about 15 minutes. And when you need some serious traction, the B wins every time as compared to an N. But, I think that we can go "tit- for tat" like this when discussing all makes and in the end, it all comes out pretty even. Personal preferences are what make all of this o interesting.. To conclude, let me throw out this observation based on my personal experiences: my 52 Farmall Super C with Touch Control, Fast Hitch and a 3 pt. conversion can do everything and more than the N can do and can do nearly everything a B can do.
Nice discussing this with you; bascially, I would have to say that I've never seen an old tractor that I didn't like.
Have a good weekend.

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Ohiosteve

05-09-2003 10:48:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to Dave 2N, 05-09-2003 05:43:58  
Dave,
I enjoyed your response. You made some good points. I suppose if Chevy and Ford can produce a lemon now and again so can tractor manufacturers. I guess that my Fords fit me
so well I just have developed a real loyalty.
Thanks



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Jerry (AL)

05-08-2003 17:45:57




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
I like my 8N. I keep the wheels out wide and use it for running a two row planter and a cultivator.

I have a MF255 that I pull a 10 foot JD wheel disk with and a plow and the hog.

I have to hog 40 acres of hay ground because the guy that was renting it sold out his cows and now I can't give the hay away. I wouldn't like the time or pressure on the 8N trying to hog that hay down. With all the rain, the hay is almost hip high. The MF will walk a 7 foot hog through it easy. The 8N will do it in a lot longer time and with a lot of heat and cleaning out the radiator frequently and in 1st gear only. The MF is designed so the radiator never gets clogged set back from the grill like it is.

So, I love the 8N but I really like the MF when I have to hog.


The moral of the story is, there are horses for courses. There's nothing wrong with owning more than one brand.

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MikeC

05-08-2003 17:17:03




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
That is no different than the Dodge vs. Ford vs. Chevrolet. Everyone has their favorite and no amount of persuasion will change their mind.

Each tractor had its' uses back when they were new and each tractor has its' uses today. N's can do some things the JD's are not good at, and the JD's have abilities that the N's lack.

For my purposes, an N is suited perfectly and I'll stick with it. For other purposes, a JD or another size/brand would be better.

Besides, if we all liked the same thing there would be no one to make fun of...

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bg

05-08-2003 16:58:02




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 Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to RICK/GA, 05-08-2003 16:52:01  
Ford was the tractor that introduced the world to automatic draft control and the 3-point-hitch. Pound-for-pound, and inch-for-inch the N series was the cutting edge of tractor technology when it was built. Affordable, easy to maintain, easy to use, handy and versatile. No other tractor at the time could boast of all these features.



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Rob

05-08-2003 17:09:16




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 Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to bg, 05-08-2003 16:58:02  
"Affordable, easy to maintain, easy to use, handy and versatile." Have a hard time matching those features today. Especially if you add in durable.
For many of us it's comparing the N to a garden tractor that will be worth about $100 after 20-25 years.



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jeb2n

05-08-2003 17:06:33




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 Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to bg, 05-08-2003 16:58:02  
Word, yo!

Had it not been for Ford/Ferguson, we might still have that funky JD two-point hitch, and i'm still opposed to the IH "Fast hitch". The little toungue is hard to line up, and it always seems to bend off to one side.

From a sheer favorites point of view, though, it seems like I like different tractors for different decades...
pre 1920's: Steam tractors
1920's: Farmall F-series
1930's: Unstyled JD A's and B's
late 30's through 50's: 9N/2N/8N hands down.
Post 50's: Nothing compares to the good ole days!

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dw

05-09-2003 07:45:36




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 Re: Re: Re: JD vs Ford - What The JD Folks Say in reply to jeb2n, 05-08-2003 17:06:33  
What is a John Deere two point hitch?



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