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Flooding Out- UPDATE

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Richie MaGoo

05-13-2003 18:37:23




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Thanks to all who responded to my post below!

Well....this morning, I figured I'd give the tractor one more try....wait for it to quit, and use the old test light to check electrics, as you guys had me convinced that the problem may be electrical. Well.....I didn't even make it once around my property- it quit after 5 minutes this time, at the point furthest from the house of course!

I used the test light to confirm that I was getting power to the coil (I was)- I checked the out-put side of the coil with the key on, and the light lit (is that good or bad?)

Let the tractor sit, and took mom to town- came back, ready to drive the tractor home....and it wouldn't stay running at all- I could play with the choke....and it would run a few seconds....and once I tapped the float bowl, and it ran for almost 30 seconds! -and I know it's something small and stupid...but man! is it annoying.

The rebuilt carb worked great when I got it- all last summer- and I started her up every 2 or 3 weeks during the winter...then, come this spring....nothing but trouble!

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MikeT

06-01-2004 13:09:21




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 Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-13-2003 18:37:23  
If you got water in the carb float bowl and it got real cold over the winter the water can freeze. The ice then crushes the floats. Then the floats don't float so good come spring. Found this problem in an old 2n I just bought.



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Brian-2N

05-14-2003 09:18:04




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 Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-13-2003 18:37:23  
Richie,
Ditto to what Steve said. This may sound dumb, but I've learned to look at the dumb things too. If it sat all winter, have you checked the aircleaner or tube for clogs, e.g. mouse or bees nests? May sound stupid but it's worth checking. Sounds more like lack of air than fuel.



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Richie MaGoo

05-14-2003 12:19:50




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 Re: Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Brian-2N, 05-14-2003 09:18:04  
All those things would be true....except for the fact that she runs fine for a while....and then just quits- no roughness or acting-up first- it just sounds as if you shut the key off- it's either all or nothing- that's why it's so hard to track the problem down, I guess.

And yes...I am certain it will turn out to be something small and stupid. -if it were something major, it'd be easy to track down!

Oh well....at least having you guys to converse with and share my misery, makes it easier!

Welcome to the broken tractor support group!

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Brian-2N

05-14-2003 13:50:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-14-2003 12:19:50  
Want to here a story about small and stupid?
I re-wired the 8N with a new original wiring harness and spark plug wires. Then it wouldn't start. Know why? The wiring harness doesn't come with the 2 wires coming from the key switch. DOH!



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Evil Steve

05-14-2003 07:44:51




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 Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-13-2003 18:37:23  
Assuming that your spark is nice whiteish/blue and assuming you've already checked fuel screens and constant fuel supply to carb, then having to choke it to keep her running indicates a fuel/air mixture problem. Tapping your fuel bowl and achieving a 30 second run-time I believe was just coincidence.

Two things can cause this 1) carb adjustments or carb crud 2) leak in the intake manifold (it's sucking air in and diluting your fuel/air mixture.

Intake manifolds can leak either in the gaskets or by a burn thru within the manifold between the inake and exhaust. NORMALLY a burn thru, IF it's big enough, can be detected by what many mistake as missfire/sputtering/afterfire/backfire.

If you can get her running for long enough, you can spray WD40 around the manifold (DO NOT USE ether or other very highly flamable sprays) and if that seems to quiet the roughness down, you have a manifold gasket leak.

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Rob

05-14-2003 07:08:19




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 Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-13-2003 18:37:23  
Gotta check that fuel flow. First, remove the fuel line at the carb and turn on the gas. You need a full-pipe flow, not just a steady-stream. If not then look at the sediment bowl and fuel line. If good then remove the elbow into the carb and inspect the screen. If dirty then clean it.
If it's clean then check your carb adjustments to see they didn't get screwed around over the winter.
Make sure all the linkages are free and moving properly and if it's all ok then you will have to remove the carb and check it out. See what's in there.

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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

05-14-2003 06:48:15




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 Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-13-2003 18:37:23  
Richie,
Sounds like the IDENTICAL problem that I'm fighting on my newly rebuilt '50 8N. Please share any progress that you make on it and I'll do the same...



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Fast Ed Ohio

05-13-2003 22:09:02




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 Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-13-2003 18:37:23  
Try spraying starter fluid into the carb. intake if it keeps running you have a fuel problem. If it still wont run check for hot blue spark at spark plug tip ( remove spark plug , ground it, crank over engine ) If you dont have a hot blue spark and hear it snap go for an electrical problem . ( basic mechanics 1 0 1 ).



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Richie MaGoo

05-14-2003 06:32:28




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 Re: Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Fast Ed Ohio , 05-13-2003 22:09:02  
Yep...it'll run on ether (that's how I check for spark....by squirting ether in the carb!)

It's gotta be that darn carb! -but it worked so good last year! And I put Stabil in the gas over the winter, so it wouldn't gum up....and the carb is nice and clean inside- if the float level is the problem, why would it change if it was fine last summer?



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lrb111

05-15-2003 11:41:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-14-2003 06:32:28  
It could be a very small prob. I mean real small. The needle and seat in the carb could be the prob.

Not the rubber seating end but the sides of the needle and the bore that the needle sits in.

I had my carb off 4 times one afternoon messing with it after the thing had set for a couple of years.
Finally figured out the needle was hanging, because it had shrp edges and burrs, as well as just enough 'shellac' in the bore to help it hang.

Did a light reaming of the bore with some some used 400 grit paper. Then cleaned up the shoulders of the needle at both ends with 200 grit.

Might put some packing with teflon tape around the throttle and choke shafts in the carb, too. hth..

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Fast Ed Ohio

05-14-2003 23:50:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Flooding Out- UPDATE in reply to Richie MaGoo, 05-14-2003 06:32:28  
We have established a fuel problem, its your puppy since Im not there to help .



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