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9N 6 volt conversion to 12V

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Ron

05-16-2003 02:59:50




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I purchased a conversion kit from a guy on E-Bay. It came with a 12V coil, a resistor, and the alternator. It did not come with a wiring harness or directions on how to wire this up.

Can someone please help me with this.

Thanks




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did give me a great idea--bj/8n/mt

05-16-2003 06:01:37




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 Re: 9N 6 volt conversion to 12V in reply to Ron, 05-16-2003 02:59:50  
From what you post I doubt even the more experienced mind readers on this forum can help you much. Whether the kit you threw money away on is actually a thought out engineered kit or something put together from garage floor sweepings is something I can't tell you unless you hold it up to the phone. Part of the joy of twelve volt conversions is there are so many ways to do it. Some of them even work.

You did, however give me a great idea.

Think I will go down to the salvage yard; buy a ten dollar alternator [doesn't matter what it came out of] buy a five buck coil [history doesn't matter there either] grab a Dodge ignition resistor for another buck and advertise it as a twelve volt conversion kit on E bay. Ought to be able to double my money on every kit.

Your mileage may vary

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Ron

05-16-2003 11:24:35




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 Re: Re: 9N 6 volt conversion to 12V in reply to did give me a great idea--bj/8n/mt, 05-16-2003 06:01:37  
Thanks for the smart comment, now how about some help.

The alternator is a 1 wire Delco, I am just looking for a wiring diagram on how to hook this up with the resistor.

Is the 12V system now negative ground?
Is the resistor in between the ignition switch and the coil?

I am assuming the 1 wire from the alternator goes back to the battery?



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uh Ron? . . . Dell (WA)

05-16-2003 19:37:30




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N 6 volt conversion to 12V in reply to Ron, 05-16-2003 11:24:35  
Ron..... .....I know of 8 ways to successfully convert the old 6 volt 9N tractor to 12 volts. Some are more technically elegant, some more crude. And in particular, with the frontmount ignition system, there are 2 VERY DIFFERENT problems that MUST BE addressed. "the coil"

Some converters use a 12 to 6 volt converting resistor and the OEM 6 volt ignition coil and the mandantory "infamous ballast resistor". (thats 2 resistors connected in series like flashlight batterys). Because it is cheapest. (12 to 6 volt converting resistor $5, modern 12 volt frontmount coil $40)

Other converters use just the modern 12 volt frontmount coil without ANY resistors. Some conversion kits include a resistor that may or may NOT be the correct value. DO NOT USE the "infamous ballast resistor" with the modern 12 volt coil. Understand?

BTW.....it is difficult to externally determine if the new square frontmount ignition coil is a 6 volt coil or a 12 volt coil. HINT: permanently mark your new 12 volt coil as being a 12 volt coil and date installed. The next mechanic that works on the tractor will blessyou.

I'm not a fan of the deceptively desirable "1-wire Delco" 12 volt conversion because ya gotta jazz that cold engine to 1800 rpms before the alternator starts charging. Your N-Engine max's out at 2200 rpm and idles at 400 rpms. 1-wire conversions work well with old automobiles because you generally bring the engine speed up to 3000 rpms before you dump the clutch to get moving.

I prefer the way Chevy does it, with the "idiot light" and 3-wires, 'cuz it starts charging at 500 rpms.

But to answer your questions:
Yes, the 12 volt alternator solid state gutts absolutely DEMAND NEGATIVE BATTERY ground.
Yes, the resistor must be between the ignition coil terminal and the ignition switch "ON" terminal or else you can't turn your engine off. Yes, the alternator 1-wire big output STUD is connected to the battery. Typically at the roundcan starter switch BATT stud, 'cuz its convient.

I'm a 12 volt advocate for the right reasons, that said, I haven't found the right reason to convert my eazy starting 6 volt 52 8N to 12 volts and I know how to do it right, the first time..... ....respectfully, Dell

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Lee

05-16-2003 11:30:41




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N 6 volt conversion to 12V in reply to Ron, 05-16-2003 11:24:35  
Ron, Maybe this link will help. Down a bit is a diagram of a 12V conversion 1 wire alternator.
Link
Good Luck, Lee



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BigDawg

05-16-2003 18:23:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 9N 6 volt conversion to 12V in reply to Lee, 05-16-2003 11:30:41  
Ron,

I did mine by using this link. I have no problems. You can also search the web. Lots of info available.

Doug
Wisconsin



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