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Rick B (WA)

05-27-2003 07:56:34




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Livin' on ten acres of bull and black pine trees. Inundated with pinecones this year. They don't burn well, even when the air-pollution cops let us light them up.

Does anyone have any tricks? Fan assisted burner? Chipper/Shredder? Over the neighbors fence?




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Hal/WA

05-28-2003 01:37:05




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 Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Rick B (WA), 05-27-2003 07:56:34  
I don't know where you live in Washington, but I live near Spokane and have 20 acres of mostly Ponderosa Pine woods. Half of the year is cold and damp, but late Summer and early Fall is almost always extremely dry and hot. Fire danger is always on our minds during the dry season.

A couple of years ago, I had some logging done and sold almost all of my large, mature trees. Unfortunately logging leaves lots of mess--I am still cleaning up cut off branches and piling them. I burn the piles during the wet season with the authority of a Department of Natural Resources fire permit, which costs about $25.
The piling and burning of logging debris cuts down on the fuel supply if a fire should happen to come through my property and hopefully gives a better chance of not losing everything.

I try to be a good neighbor and don't burn during times that the air is stagnant, and obviously when there is any chance of the fire getting away. I also talk to my neighbors when I am going to burn--they appreciate being informed and it cuts down on calls to the fire department. At least so far the air pollution authorities do not have jurisdiction over "silviculture" burning if a DNR burning permit has been issued, thought I do not push the issue. I do think that the half dozen days a year yard & garden burning period is really dumb. It usually has been when things burn poorly, or the days happen to be just too windy and it really is just for very small piles. The DNR rules are much more reasonable.

Before the white men came to this part of the country, it is believed that ground fires went through the countryside every few years. Those ground fires spared large trees, but burned dry grass and the duff--pine needles, cones and branches that fell off the trees. Those fires might have come from lightning strikes, or might have been purposely started by the local Indians. It cleared out the old junk and allowed the grass to grow better. The burning also unintentionally prevented most catastrophic fires.

But since the white men came, fires have been put out as a part of forest management. Now when there is a fire during a dry time of the year, there is a huge load of fuel under the trees. Rather than getting a fire that lazily moves over the ground consuming a little accumulation of duff and dry grass, we get extremely hot fires that create their own draft and can become crown fires, where the fire jumps from tree to tree. In such a situation, almost all the trees are killed and the ground around them becomes virtually sterilized. Such fires are almost impossible to control. That is what happened in much of Yellowstone Park a couple of years ago.

You should be concerned about a serious fire going through your property. The best way to have your trees survive such a fire is to reduce the available fuel suply, by raking the duff away from the bases of the tree trunks, cutting off the branches of the trees up 10 or 15 feet up, thinning out small trees and burning the piles you make at a safe time of the year. Although it is probably not legal at this time, the best solution would be to carefully burn off the duff in small sections at a time when the duff is just dry enough to burn, but not dry enough to let the fire really get going and maybe get away from you. That sounds scary to me and maybe is not practical.

You also should be concerned for your buildings. Metal roofs and composition roofs may allow a building to survive a serious fire going through. Untreated cedar shingles or shakes will not. It also is very important to keep pine needles swept off roofs. I also have a generator set that is large enough to operate my well pump, as I have seen the power go off in a serious fire situation and it is a really helpless feeling to be unable to move water in an emergency. Lots of trees around a house may look pretty, but the only thing that will save you in a fire storm situation is a defensible space, which means no pine trees close by.

I have found that almost any pine forest debris will burn very well if it is fairly dry. A trick to keeping a pile dry is to cover a part of the pile with one of those cheap blue tarps. I have had piles burn well when only about 10% of the pile was tarped and the rest of the pile had snow on it. Alternately, pine cones burn great in a burn barrel, although that is probably illegal too!

Sorry this got so long, but your question about the pine cones suggested that you are new to the wooded property. Dealing with fire danger is a very serious topic for anyone who lives on wooded property. Good luck and stay safe.....

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Rick B (WA)

05-29-2003 11:10:44




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 Re: Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Hal/WA, 05-28-2003 01:37:05  
Hal,

I've been here north of Spokane (Deer Park area) for 25+ years and on this acreage for 12. Just got tired of piling 'em up and not knowing what to do with them. This place had been logged just before I bought it and I still lose trees to storms so cleanup goes on forever.

I am with the local Fire Dept and am VERY concious of the wildland fire issue here. I stretch my green space around the house a little bit more every year.

Thanks for the info. It's good to know there are some folks out there that are aware of the dangers. Too often I Get to meet the other ones.

Thanks again.

rick

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DUCK

05-27-2003 19:03:41




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 Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Rick B (WA), 05-27-2003 07:56:34  
I have 5 acres on the back of my property with nothing but pine cones and the best thing I can find to do with them is set the Ranch King on Mulch and spend a couple hours running over the property chunking them up. By the time those pine cones get whopped around in the 3 blade compartment at a few thousand RPM they there isn't much life left in them and they decompose pretty fast. Smells pretty good too.
DUCK

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Gary 8n Fl

05-27-2003 17:52:55




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 Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Rick B (WA), 05-27-2003 07:56:34  
Like the man said, put em on Ebay and see what happens, set a reserve to cover time and shipping, see what happens. Might be a new cash crop. I was thinking about doing it w spanish moss but worry about bugs.

My wife does Interior design and they use such things bought at specialty stores.

Let us know
Gary



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DchewChescoPA

05-27-2003 09:16:12




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 Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Rick B (WA), 05-27-2003 07:56:34  
I compost them, after picking them up with the lawn broom. they take a while... better when i grind them up with the shredder. just shovel them into the place where ya put the sticks.

green ones will gum up the work sometimes. run a couple sticks through now and again....



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DallasGa

05-27-2003 09:03:48




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 Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Rick B (WA), 05-27-2003 07:56:34  
Ha Rick, about 10 years ago I had the same problem.I started just raking them up around the trees as "mulch".It built up over the years to a nice looking mound which inturn is a great place for somekind of ground cover.A low time and effort answer.



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souNdguy

05-27-2003 08:06:47




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 Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Rick B (WA), 05-27-2003 07:56:34  
You must be unlucky... down here in florida, pine cones are almost like molotov cocktails... they burn great in my fire pit.. In fact I use them to START other wood burning...

Don't know what to tell you.. though they probably do chip well... just watch out for the seeds... you'll get sapplings everywhere.

Soundguy



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Drmeatman

05-27-2003 13:50:15




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 Re: Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to souNdguy, 05-27-2003 08:06:47  
Here in the sandhills of N.C. everyone has a billion of em so we just live with them. But I'll share this.Several years back I was on my way home when I passed a car with several people outside. Thinking they may be having auto trouble I stoped to give assistance (I'm a nice guy,GRIN).No trouble but was asked if I thought the landowner might mind if they collected some to take (back north).I explained us (southerners) were kinda parchal to them but I knew the owner and he was a nice guy and probably would be ok as a gift to them. Seems one could bag them up and sell them to the nawhteners. Little humer here yanks.A little laugh is good for the soul!!

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Week N Warrior (MS/MO)

05-27-2003 18:17:15




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 Re: Re: Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Drmeatman, 05-27-2003 13:50:15  
Good idea. You could sell them on the internet. I found there is a guy that sell Horse Apples, excuse me, Hedge Apples on line. Sells them alover the world. Some people will buy anything.

Carl



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souNdguy

05-28-2003 06:16:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Week N Warrior (MS/MO), 05-27-2003 18:17:15  
Ok.. I'll bite... (ignorance showing here)? hedge apples? ( I know about horse apples.... )

Soundguy

As for the pinecones.. if you are the crafty glue gun type.. I've seen lots of stuff with pinecones.. even seen some drizzled with wax and wrapped in muslin ( wrapped in muslin then drizzled in wax? ) as fire starters.. ( though from my experience.. they burn pretty good on thier own.. though I do soppose it depends on the variety and age...

Soundguy

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Week N Warrior (MS/MO)

05-28-2003 17:32:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to souNdguy, 05-28-2003 06:16:29  

The real name for Horse apples is Hedge Apples.
They grow on the hedge tree. I've always called them Horse Apples too. Some other names some people call them are:
Hedge Balls, Green Brains, & Mock Oranges
Best use for them is getting rid of insects.
Seems some people cut them open and dry them to make decorations out of them.
It is believed that during the food shortage during WWII they were feed to soldiers.
Boy, And I thought Army food was bad when I was in.

Carl

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souNdguy

05-29-2003 05:47:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT Pinecone Disposal ?? in reply to Week N Warrior (MS/MO), 05-28-2003 17:32:42  
ahhh.

thanks

soundguy



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