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Sand blast or steam clean or ?

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Rick

05-27-2003 09:21:18




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I'm tearing down the 9N for painting. Which is the best way to remove old paint, rust, etc to ready it for painting. Sand blasting or steam cleaning? I would do the work myself and perhaps rent the equip??? Also, since I can't paint for another week or so, what do I do to KEEP it ready for painting?




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Your Choice of Mess Type

05-27-2003 10:08:07




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 Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Rick, 05-27-2003 09:21:18  
Look at it this way: wether you sandblast it, strip it with paint stripper, wire brush angle grinder method or other it all makes a mess. Done all three and the fastest and cheapest method seems to be aircraft stripper remover, pressure washer, and angle grinder with braided wire brushes flat wheel and cup types.

Sandblasting is great for pitted and flaking rust, old paint and crust all combined into one old and messy tractor with more flaking rust and rust than anything else.

It's a mess but thorough as long as you ensure all orifices, openings, and any place where fine grit enters is sealed you will be fine. Did a 9N that way with good results and no problems.

Cost me a fortune in black beauty medium though and rental time.

On my own time, at my own rate, if you can steam clean it first do that. Then apply paint stripper in thick layers in a shady warm place and let it work. Keep it on there. Then have a pressure washer on hand and blast the paint right off. Final removal with a good cup braided wire brush on a 4.5 inch angle grinder.

Get into tough spots with old chisels, screw drivers, metal rulers, files, wire brushes and your done.

Contact POR15 Company and get their Metal Ready and spray that Zinc Phosphate on (or Ospho brand product too) with a normal window wash spray bottle and you can then take your time before you prime and paint. Buy a gallon of the stuff you won't be sorry.

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Zinc phosphate

05-27-2003 10:14:14




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 Re: Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Your Choice of Mess Type, 05-27-2003 10:08:07  
Ospho (same stuff) or other is a pre-etching primer. Yes I use it under all primer then topcioat over primer. It converts rust and also provides a micro layer between primer and metal to kill any rust that may be caught between primer and paint.

I'm liberal with it and use it all the time and I wash it off if I have areas where it went on too thick and dried like a white powder Remove by washing or light sanding any white powdery areas so the primer will adhere to the metal and not te powder which will not take to the tractor. It's normal to get some of that. don't sweat it. 99% of painting a tractor is all in the prep work and last 1% in the topcoat.

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Evil Steve

05-27-2003 09:27:49




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 Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Rick, 05-27-2003 09:21:18  
Sandblasting is a bad thing to do in MY opinion. Too many ways for sand to get into engine and hyds.

I used a 2100 lb pressure washer and it took all loose paint away and I drained and refilled oil and hyd fluid after my paint job was finished. To KEEP it ready, I used spray-on rust converter and kept the tractor covered to keep dust off.

If you want more detail write back.



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Rust converter???

05-27-2003 09:37:17




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 Re: Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Evil Steve, 05-27-2003 09:27:49  
I do not like the idea of sand everywhere either. Please tell me more about the "rust converter". Where do I get it and also, can I paint right over it later or do I have to remove this "converter" before painting?



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MikeC

05-27-2003 11:25:11




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 Re: Re: Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Rust converter???, 05-27-2003 09:37:17  
I use rust converter quite a bit on rusted but solid surfaces where it is impractical to remove the rust. WalMart carries the Kleen Strip brand in spray cans in the automotive section.

The converter makes the rust inert and then converts itself to a paintable primer. Works great!



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Evil Steve

05-27-2003 09:44:13




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 Re: Re: Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Rust converter???, 05-27-2003 09:37:17  
Rust converter comes in jelly (ex: marine jelly) or liquid (ex: Ospho) or spray form. Rust is oxidized iron and converter changes the rust into a more inert type of rust. It is paintable, just don't over apply (just enough to make the rust surface look damp) and wait at least 24 hours after applying before painting.

Got mine from Home Depot and two cans was all I needed, but I did HAND sand a lot of the paint so I had more to treat. Use only on NON- paint areas and NOT on aluminum alloy parts such as your front cover. For those, off-the-shelf-spray primer worked great.

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MikeC

05-27-2003 09:27:27




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 Re: sand blast or steam clean or ? in reply to Rick, 05-27-2003 09:21:18  
Sandblasting is great, however the sand goes everywhere. Remember too that silica sand requires breathing gear and complete protection from the sand (hood, clothing, gloves, boots, eye protection, etc.). Be prepared to mask off every opening, every seal, every place that has a gasket. The sand can penetrate the smallest openings (or make it's own).

Steam cleaning is ok, but once you remove the paint you have to protect the metal somehow or you will start to rust within hours.

I would be prepared to at least prime it as soon as you are done removing the existing paint. Otherwise the rust will become an issue on any exposed metal.

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