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(OT) More barn building questions

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Jake

05-30-2003 19:59:57




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Now that I have been given the tentative OK by SWMBO, I have a few more questions for you. I say "tentative" because it is on the condition we spend a little money at a time over a period of time building this 24x24 shed/barn/cover...instead of a huge expense all at once (huge to us, peanuts to others I guess).

My question is, can this be done practically? Let's say I pour a slab (stick frame) or set the poles (pole barn) next week. Then I add the walls etc. Can I realistically wait 3 or 4 weeks before the next part letting the untreated wood sit in the open that long?

Let's say stick frame.. can I do the walls in a week and then cover them with a tarp or whatever for a few weeks until the next paycheck rolls in and I can do the joists, rafters, etc. roof, etc. then the shingles?

I know from woodworking to not let things sit, so am I better off just saving until I can hire someone to do all of it all at once? How do y'all who do your own do it? I don't have heaps of money or helpers to work with.

I want to build this thing myself but I don't want to be foolish either.

Any ideas welcome.

Jake
49 8N

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DON TX

05-31-2003 09:30:39




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
Have you thought about looking around for a lumber yard (HD, Lowes, Menards, etc.) that has 6 months no intrest? I see it around here lately. Project cards? Pay a little each month and have the materials at once. Just a thought. HTH
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Scott-49n

05-31-2003 07:05:29




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
We are just about finished with our 24x36 pole building up here in NW Washington.The poles are 8x8 treated set in 24" holes about 48'deep that were dug with a Bobcat with a powered auger. After the poles came the trussed roof and tin roof which you can order by the inch and it goes up fast,so now everything is dry! The dump truck got stuck up to his axles bringing in the pitrun gravel for the floor and had to dump 12 yards about 80 feet from the barn. The 8n made easy work dragging all that stuff where it should be with a box blade. We used 2x4 horizontally between the 8x8 to form a basis for the siding -green 1x10 fir and 1x4 batten from Canada- and plywood interior, with 3.5" insulation. Good luck.

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db

10-07-2003 16:17:51




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 Re: Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Scott-49n, 05-31-2003 07:05:29  
I'm getting ready to put up a similar barn. (36'x48'x16'eve) What do you suggest for setting the posts? I'm not sure the best way to go about it. Set and level one corner post and line the rest up to it? Stressing a bit on this one.



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Gary 8n Fl

05-31-2003 05:23:29




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
Well, I build mine w no walls just a tin roof.

I built mine in about 3 weeks,worked on and off one day on the weekend and weeknights after work. Also I used only pressure treated, no rot less bugs.

Free telco poles and looked around an found a place w cheap tin helped keep my cost bellow $600.

I used strong ties (box of 100 or so for $25) to hold down the rafters and lag bolts to attach the stringers. Was not too hard to put up w a extension ladder and such, just be mindfull of safety. Only had help putting the tin up in the end.

Also someone told me if you use tin screw it down, don't nail it.

Of course weather has a lot to do w design and roof pitch, need for walls etc.

I would post some pictures but I do not have a scanner and my dig. camera took a dump.

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Picture...Ken N Tx

05-31-2003 03:25:46




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
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You mean something like this?? The wife and i put it up in 4 months, cost around $3,000..Email me for more pic's ( Email is on N Club site)..Ken N Tx



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Finished Pic....Ken N Tx

05-31-2003 03:27:50




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 Re: Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Picture...Ken N Tx, 05-31-2003 03:25:46  
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Rob

05-31-2003 04:00:47




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 Re: Re: Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Finished Pic....Ken N Tx, 05-31-2003 03:27:50  
Good looking outfit! That pics blurred some and that tractor might be rolling by at 100mph. Can that be?
I posted a pic today. I think it turned out real well. Check it out on that long thread on page two. I 'resized' the pic from the camera to 50%. The percent is important because it doesn't stretch out the pic weird and the 50% made it a great size for posting on this board. It's like 320 x 240 pixels but the 50% is all I needed to do.
Then I set the density to 96, I think that is dots/inch, woteva. That's the best display you get on a computer screen on the internet anyway so I understand it doesn't help to have a higher density. The file size is GREAT! Only 8kb, some of them are like 17kb. Can't beat that. Now I can put 5-10 pics in my photo album for everyone of those 80-90kb pics I have been putting in there. Pics look the same to me, like they told me it would.

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Rob

05-31-2003 02:40:50




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
The pole barns around here don't have slabs unless they are added later. Guy gets his money together and he stages a barn raising. The women fix up a big ol' bbq & potluck, the fellahs head down to the yard bright and early with someone's big truck, load up the mat'l and head back and raise a barn. End of the day the barn is up and everyone is full of bbq, potato salad, barleypop, and country music. Everybody learns some things and has a fine time.
It's not a job, it's a party!

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Rob

05-31-2003 04:42:04




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 Re: Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Rob, 05-31-2003 02:40:50  
To keep the cost down many of the barns are raised with only 3 walls. The front with the doors can be added later, like the slab or partial slab.



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BS@ElmaNY

05-31-2003 00:57:24




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
I don't know what your proposed building materials are, but I just thought I'd throw this info out...

We're in the middle of restoring a 100 year old barn. We're using the type of wood typical to use on farm barns, hemlock. It's just rough cut lumber from a relative who owns a lumber mill, but many people get it from the Amish.

After the hemlock is installed, we're going to let it dry out over the Summer and then stain it.

Hemlock and other woods used on barns last a long, long time. Many people never stain or paint these woods. Just look at some of the old barns in your area. And, we found that the Hemlock isn't all that expensive.

Just my 2¢.

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kw tashoff

10-25-2005 09:27:22




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 Care of hemlock barn exterior in reply to BS@ElmaNY, 05-31-2003 00:57:24  
Have a beautiful ten-year-old 3-stall,tack room,loft horse barn made of rough hemlock. Depending on the side of the barn, some of the wood has greyed (and under roof eaves) and some looks like it retained its rich dark brown color. What's the best way to treat this wood..power wash and seal, leave alone or what?



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souNdguy

05-30-2003 21:56:21




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
If money / time is an issue, go the easy route, pole barn, and PT wood.

The poles... if telephone, etc.. are already treated... otherwise buy pt poles / piles, etc.

Set them.. then add the frame work whenever you like, using pt wood... will be a tad bit more expensive than #2 white wood.. but that weather / time factor moves way down the scale.

Lastly, add the roof of choice... I'm partial to flat roofs ( slightly angled / swept back to drain water ) and a tin roof.

If you decide to do the slab.. you can pour it later.

Again.. not completely ideal.. but will fit your time / bufget constraints, and after all.. it is only a barn...

I did a similar project like this... I built a 10x10 flat roof 4 post structure, to shelter my 8n while I worked on it as there was no room in the barn.. later added on another 10x10 section as a horse stall for a mini ( horse ).. later moved the tractor into the barn, and now have a nice free standing horse stall, with attatched cover to put feed / hay under, right next to the main barn. ( And i'm a CE... go figure.. )

Soundguy

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duey

05-30-2003 21:29:56




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
Jake, If you need to pace the money spending, I would offer that you get the slab done as you suggest and then simply accrue materials as you can afford them. The slab gets maybe 90% of its strength in the first 30 days, the last 10% comes over the next 50 years.

After a week you can set the materials on it, and if they're covered, and up on sawhorses off the cement, there's no rush. Gives you a chance to cogitate on the project. Hey, anticipation is half the fun!!!

Then, get a few friends over, especially some that have a bit of experience, and you'll pop that thing up in a weekend. Such fun!!! duey

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buck

05-30-2003 21:11:52




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  

I would not be too concerned about your proposed methods and timing. This happens quite frequently during construction. About the only material that you may be using that could give you a problem is OSB sheeting and it doesn't like to get too wet. Years ago I had to do just as you propose to build my shop. Whenever I got enough money together for another pickup load of materials I would buy them. Didn't even have enough money to buy all the studs at one time and then a few sheets of plywood at a time.Took me about 8 months.

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bg

05-30-2003 20:13:18




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
why don't you design it to be modular? Build a 12 x 12 or 8 x 8 so you can duplicate the modules and finish each one as you go.

It would be best to do the entire frame and get the top on and then use roofing paper(if you're using shingles for roof covering. Weather won't hurt the lumber for a few weeks as long as it dries out well before you wrap it up. It would be better to keep it all dry, but if you look at houses under construction, they sometimes sit open to the weather for several weeks.

A pole barn would allow you to set the poles, get the trusses up and get the roof on rather quickly. Then you could work on the girts and siding as the budget allowed.

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ED-IL

05-30-2003 20:11:26




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 Re: (OT) More barn building questions in reply to Jake, 05-30-2003 19:59:57  
start with the roof. Do yourself a favor and hire some carpenters to set your trusses and finish the roofing. This way, anything you build below the roof will be protected and the remaining building can be phased in as time allows.

also consider using multi-ply treated 2x6's for the posts. This way, they can be built up as needed by staggering individual ply lengths and spiking them together in place. also, this gives you a flat surface to nail the wall girts to.

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