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Rick

06-07-2003 03:38:31




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I'm about to begin an overhaul of my '52 8N hydraulics (and related items) and I'm intimidated by the prospect of trying to replace the lift shaft/arm bushings. Is replacement of the bushings advisable? How can I tell if they need to be replaced? I have a 12-ton press, is it enough press to remove the lift arms?
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Rick H. Ga.

06-07-2003 08:14:04




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 Re: Lift Shaft Bushings in reply to Rick, 06-07-2003 03:38:31  
Hi Rick,

I had a similar experience as JimNC, I broke my lift cover in the process of removing the rockshaft from the cover. However, my mistake was not understanding that one of the bushings (which ever side the rock shaft comes out) must come out with the rockshaft because the middle splines of the rockshaft are bigger in diameter than the outer splines that rest inside the bushings. Had I realized this when using a hydraulic press to get the rockshaft out, I would not have busted my lift cover. I thought the rockshaft was the same diameter as the ends where the lift arms attach (but it is bigger on the inside where the rocker arm fits). The FO-4 manual did not make this fact clear.

Anyway, Zane is correct (as usual) in that once I got a new (used) lift cover and finished the job, the difference in the slack and movement of the rockshaft inside the new bushings were not that much; although, it was a valuable learning experience. HTH. Rick H. Ga.

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JimNC

06-07-2003 07:12:50




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 Re: Lift Shaft Bushings in reply to Rick, 06-07-2003 03:38:31  
Rick,
I removed the shaft and bushings on My 8N (breaking the lift cover in the process). After replacing the bushings and getting a used cover (extra $75) could tell only a minute difference than before. The bushings will come out pretty good, but getting the rocker off the shaft is the tuff part, all the years of condensation have the thing rusted to the shaft pretty good. If you do attempt it don't get in a hurry. I would do it again, even though it is not very cost and time effective for such a small gain. Just use lots of penetrating oil and take your time, you can do it.
Oh, I used a press on mine and broke it. Used a torch and hammer and lots of oil and got it out.


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Jim

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ZANE

06-07-2003 06:38:48




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 Re: Lift Shaft Bushings in reply to Rick, 06-07-2003 03:38:31  
I don't think a 12 ton press would even move the lift arms on the rocker shaft. Take a lot more than that and probably lots of heat to boot. There was a purpose in these things being so tight a press fit. Harry and Henry knew it would be necessary for them to withstand the forces applied to them.

There is really no practicle reason to replace the bushings anyway unless the lost motion is really big and sloppy. Water can enter through the bushings even when the bushings and felt seals are new if left out in a lot of rain.

The operation of the lift is not much affected by the loose bushings on the rocker shaft. If the cam is worn down badly it would be advisable to built it up by brazing or welding in place and regrinding to the correct shape in place.

I have taken the lift arms off and the rocker out of Ns before but only if the rocker itself was broken and there was no other choice.

Zane

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Wayne

06-07-2003 09:08:31




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 Re: Re: Lift Shaft Bushings in reply to ZANE, 06-07-2003 06:38:48  
I just replaced my bushing and rockshaft- I felt they were wore and the one arm and bushings came off very easily but I needed a big press to get the one arm off of the rock shaft. Zane, you talked about felt seals on the rock shaft. My parts book doesn't show any- do I need to make them- is there a part number for them? I have the arms back on do I need to put them in?



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