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Steve(OR)

06-07-2003 13:01:20




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I have acres of blackberries, some of the canes may be as large as an inch across and 10ft tall.

Are there any implements for an 8N or a larger MF285 that can help get these under control?

I've already considered a Bush Hog and goats. Any other ideas? What have others done?




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wvbill

06-08-2003 04:30:53




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
my dad opened up the farm for all berry pickers,he asked people to step on them as they picked. that was twenty years ago and berry's are gone, as woods have took them over.

Spray in spring with brush killer,,,,, ,,,,fence in for cattle would work.



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tim[in]

06-07-2003 22:27:01




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
everybody knows the best way to get something to die is to try to make money off of it!! try it and guaranteed the first time it will turn into a desert!lol



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David - OR

06-07-2003 17:49:09




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
Many of Oregon's biggest and nastiest blackberry thickets are growing around brushpiles, stumps, buildings, garbage heaps, and old fence rows. It isn't a good idea to just charge in there with a tractor -- I know, I've damaged all three of my tractors running into stuff hidden in the canes. Not to mention scratching myself and my clothes trying to drive through stuff way taller than the tractor. My total repair bill from blackberry-related equipment damage in the last two years is more than $500.00

The best method I've found is to use my John Deere 310 backhoe. I use the hoe on the back to rake out the thicket, and keep the tractor itself out of the area at first. Using the long boom to "explore" the area means no driveshafts to get vines wrapped around, hydraulic hoses to get caught, radiators to punch holes in, stumps and wire to snag bush hogs, or spike-tooth harrows to flatten the tires. The cab of the backhoe provides a nice high safe platform to sit on outside of the thorny nasty thicket, as you use calmly use hydraulic power to shove the canes over and drag off the top of the soil.

This proves a much better method than driving through the thicket with anything short of a tank or a fully skid-plated and brush-guarded bulldozer.

Once it is possible to see what's in there, the 4-in-1 bucket on the front can be used to pull out Tee posts, gates, old wood stoves, kitchen sinks, lumber, downed trees, oil filters, farm equipment, car parts, etc. (I've found all of those things buried in blackberry). I also drag out all the woven wire fence and barbed wire so they don't get caught in the brush hog.

Once the canes are knocked down, and the obstacles removed, I mow the remaining stalks and plant bits with the 9N and brush hog. Then leave the plants alone until September. Spray the regrowth in September with a 2% Crossbow solution. The regrowth is more tender (less wax on the leaves), and also lower and more manageable than the mature canes. But the big advantage is that blackberries translocate carbohydrates in the fall from the leaves down to those big tubers in the ground, bringing the Triclopyr and 2-4-D down with the sugars. This kills the tubers and the roots. I achieved 100% control on two test plots I did last year with this method.

Many people spray blackberry in the spring and summer. Something about "gardening season" prompting property maintenance. The problem is, the plants push sugars out from the roots towards the leaves at this time, and little
translocation of the herbicide is acheived. You'll stunt the growth for that season, but won't kill the plant, spraying in the spring or summer.

You can rent backhoes or mini-excavators by the day for about $200 to $300, or if by some chance you live within backhoe driving distance of me, I'll gladly come attack your bigger thickets, now that I've finally mastered how to do it. I'm running out of worthy opponents on my place.

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grouch

07-16-2004 18:06:23




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 Re: Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to David - OR, 06-07-2003 17:49:09  
Mowing blackberries is fine for control. But that poisoning stuff is insane. Why on earth would _anyone_ use a spray on a fruit that brings piles of payment, fantastic jams and pies, and is easy to control by routine mowing? It even takes two years for the canes to begin producing. Be a farmer (one who manages and tends livestock and the land), not a poisoner.



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Clint

06-07-2003 18:12:05




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 Re: Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to David - OR, 06-07-2003 17:49:09  
Fergit all previous posts from us ameteurs... this guy is clearly a WARRIOR.



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Clint

06-07-2003 15:54:19




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
Sounds like they have already gotten beyond what an N can handle. Thousands of acres of virgin farmland are being cleared in south america each year supposedly with nothing more than two tractors with a cable strung between them. I would think the brush would just bend over and the cable would ride over the top. I have also seen a lot of different brush cutting attatchments for skidsteer loaders, from hydraulic shears to orbit motor powered buzz saw blades. A bush hog might work, but 1"canes are gonna be awful tough on the gearbox, not to mention rattling your teeth. How 'bout a 3 shank ripper mounted behind that Massey and set 16-18" deep?

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Larry 8N75381

06-07-2003 15:30:02




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
Steve,

I like blackberries just like RussMO and J52J, but I also don't want them growing where the should not be. I have found that they cannot tolorate being constantly mowed. As in, I had a patch that I mowed 1 to 3 times a year. After the third year they were gone. You might get rid of them quicker by mowing more often.

A standard rotorary mower/brush hog/bush hog will do fine cutting even the one inch diam. 10 footers. The trick is getting thru the patch the first time! I wear heavy gloves to ward off those 10 footers that are reaching over and you are not being pushed down by the tractor because they are not in the path. If the area you are clearing has no trees you might rig up a long bar across the front of the tractor to push down stuff that is out five feet or so on each side. You might need to even extend the bar out in front of the tractor - you will have to experiment to see what works best.

Take it easy! Those thorns will tear you up!

Good luck,
Larry

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souNdguy

06-07-2003 21:49:56




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 Re: Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Larry 8N75381, 06-07-2003 15:30:02  
I agree with larry... I've been renovating a new pasture we added to the farm.. it has about 3-4 ac of blackberryis on it. I just mow it a few times a year, and they come back less and less.

If you are in a hurry.. mow them then disk it,.. wait till stuff comes up again in a couple weeks,disk it again.. ( or plow once.. ) and then replant with grass.. then keep mowing it.

Application of lime was suggested by our county extension office.. goats were mentioned too.. once they were ' under control'.. and not 'tree' sized..

good luck.

I'll be watching this thread close if anyone has any 'auto-magic' soloutions.. as i still have acres of thinning yet growing blackberries to deal with.... and as livestock owner know.... horses don't eat close to thorns..

Soundguy

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J52J

06-07-2003 15:00:12




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
We search every year for enough back berries to make a couple of Pies.. my Grand Daughters love to go walking and picking black berries. ( more goes in them than the bucket)

My question is How do you make them produce more???

* One man's trash is another man's Treasure*

J52J/Jess



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8N34343

06-07-2003 19:55:04




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 Re: Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to J52J, 06-07-2003 15:00:12  
The way to make blackberrys bare is to mow 1/4 of your patch every year.The part that is three years old will have more berrys than you can pick. At least that how it works here in Ga.



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RussMO

06-07-2003 14:53:48




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 Re: OT - BlackBerry Removal in reply to Steve(OR), 06-07-2003 13:01:20  
I envy you. I love Blackberries..... ..



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