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Robert Larson

06-10-2003 20:46:18




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I started having a problem with my 9N, best I can tell 1940. The problems started after I realized the battery is not charging, so I have bee charging the battery and using the tractor until I can get time to look into the charging issue. However, the other problem started today, that after I ran it for awhile it would start sputtering and then die. I wuld put a charge on the battery and come back and start, only to run for awhile and then do the same thing.

After reading I thought maybe Coil, then I saw something on the resistor... or could this be do to my battery going dead and not providing the current needed to run. Also how do you tell if a resistor is bad, and where do you get new one????? Also if the generator is working, should it run with cables disconnected???

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Robert

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Willy-N

06-11-2003 07:04:00




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 Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to Robert Larson, 06-10-2003 20:46:18  
If you are the same Robert I think you are. The Relay for the generator can go bad and change the voltage to the system. If that is the 9N you got from me a long time ago I had to put one on it to solve the problem you are discribing when I went thru it. I don't think they are made that good and quit working after a while. They make a electronic one that is more accuate but big bucks. Check your output voltage to the coil and the rest of the system. Rechargeing a dead battry many times can ruin it. I know I went thru several on a VW I used to drive around with out a working charging system and I had 2 - 6 volt battrys one for back up. I only started and ran the coil with them too. You could damage the col by over heating it to with a bad charging relay on the generator. Mark H.

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Jim.UT

06-10-2003 21:10:04




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 Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to Robert Larson, 06-10-2003 20:46:18  
Another possibility: key switch. They are notorious for failing and when they do you get the symptoms you describe. Runs for awhile, then sputters and dies. Next time you use the tractor, take a 12 ga jumper wire with you. When it starts to sputter, jumper around the switch contacts. If the symptoms go away, you've found the problem.



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duey

06-10-2003 20:59:22




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 Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to Robert Larson, 06-10-2003 20:46:18  
Robert, your post reads like the battery is getting old and really tired or else it is not getting sufficient charge time when it's on the charger.

Truth is, a battery is useful for short term electrical supply... like running the starter and for those short moments when the engine speed is very low. You really need to have the generator working.....

There may be other problems but work with what you know first. good luck duey

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bg

06-10-2003 21:25:07




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 Re: Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to duey, 06-10-2003 20:59:22  
I'm not sure that's right. The battery has to supply a constant current to the coil and points. The generator is constantly recharging the battery as it is depleted. An unregulated generator can put out way more voltage to the battery than it can handle. Since the 9/2N has no voltage regulator, it had an adjustable charge-rate generator. I'd check generator output and battery condition(load test), as well as all electrical connections.

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duey

06-11-2003 08:44:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to bg, 06-10-2003 21:25:07  
You're entitled. But the way I learned it, after the engine has started, any engine, the battery is just one more item the generator (or alternator) needs to support.

Even the convention connections for ammeters would tend to support this, in that the ammeter will only show positive charge current to the battery AFTER the generator has supported the needs of the ignition, lights, and any other loads on the system at the moment. Further, the normal charging voltage is necessarily higher than the battery's nominal voltage. The higher voltage contributor gets the load.

Once the generator (or alternator) is 'on'line' and functioning at a steady state, the battery can be removed, or disconnected and the only difference is a greater or lesser load to support.

The generator is the *big kahuna* in an electrical system. Anything else is short term or temporary. duey

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I agree...........bg

06-11-2003 11:21:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to duey, 06-11-2003 08:44:38  
...about an alternator system.

But, I don't think you'll run an engine with a generator without a battery. The battery gives a steady source of electrical current to the coil. The generator need something to excite the field coils. You can run with a battery without a generator until it dies. Otherwise, why would you need a magneto system in a 2N for example? Just put a generator in the thing and remove the battery...

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Shaun

06-10-2003 20:57:39




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 Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to Robert Larson, 06-10-2003 20:46:18  
Robert -

Being that you stated that your battery is not charging, that would indicate that either you have an alternator problem or something else such as connection, etc. So, if your alternator isn't providing a charge, it may not be supplying energy elsewhere either which leaves your tractor running off your battery. When the battery runs out of juice, the tractor dies. Once you charge, it'll run again.

Sounds like time to check the charging issue. From you info, it kind of sounds like the same issue you're having now... only now your battery has run down.

-shaun

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Robert

06-10-2003 21:04:16




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 Re: Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to Shaun, 06-10-2003 20:57:39  
Thanks for the replies, I figured this was part of the problem. To test my generator, what do I do> should the tractor run after started with the battery cables disconnected? And how do I tell if my problem is the generator, or resistor?

Thanks



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Dell (WA)

06-10-2003 22:50:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 9n Electrical???? in reply to Robert, 06-10-2003 21:04:16  
Robert..... ...your "infamous ballast resistor" is like a lightbulb, if'n its bad, your engine won't run at all. Understand?

Batterys don't live forever in a rough tractor environment. Yer lucky to get 3 yrs service outta 6 volt diehard automobile battery.

Additionally, the 9N 6 volt generator is a 3rd brush genny, where you manually adjust the genny charge to about 3 amps at 1/2 throttle. The 3rd brush is on the backend of the genny flat plate and is screwdriver adjustable.

And NO, you can't disconnect the battery on a 1-terminal 3-brush genny because the un-loaded (battery is the load) genny output soars to 16+ volts. That'll toast your 6 volt frontmount coil fer'sur.

Todays problem, sounds like a bad ignition switch besides all your other electrical problems, which you need to clear up..... ...Dell

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