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Ryan Ayares

06-18-2003 17:50:46




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I am ordering some manuals for our 1948 8N. It has no spark, but I think we just need new points/condensor, but maybe the coil is shot too. I have a question about the function and reason for two of the levers. The first is just behind the starter on the left side(from seat view). The second is the one on the same side, small, below the seat. What do these do?
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Ryan

06-18-2003 18:16:58




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 Re: Several controls in reply to Ryan Ayares, 06-18-2003 17:50:46  
What would you use the different positions on the trans for?



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Rob

06-18-2003 18:55:48




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 Re: Re: Several controls in reply to Ryan, 06-18-2003 18:16:58  
The aux tranny gives you more ground speed ranges with the same pto rpm. Typically you run the pto at 540rpm which is like 1/2-3/4 throttle or so and with a Sherman you can run different ground speeds with that pto speed. In thin short grass you can mow fast with the proper pto speed on the mower.
Your lowest gear is now lower or the higher gear is higher or both.
A lot of people don't use that Sherman much. You have bragging rights to a Sherman though!

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KCM

06-19-2003 07:59:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Several controls in reply to Rob, 06-18-2003 18:55:48  
I will have to respectfully disagree with Rob. It's true that the Sherman changes the ground speed, but it also changes the PTO speed by the same ratio. So if you are running the engine at 3/4 throttle in Sherman direct drive for a 540 RPM PTO speed, then you shift to overdrive, you will need to run the engine at say 1/2 throttle to keep the 540 speed at the PTO, which in effect slows you back down on traveling speed. Plus this takes you out of the power band of the engine as the engine is made to run at so many RPM at 540 PTO RPM for maximum power.

The Sherman is good for other tractor uses not involving the PTO. If you have the Sherman combination (over and underdrive) or underdrive, the underdrive is useful for a slower reverse or slower forward speed. The combination and overdrive is good for road speeds. Most of the time you will use direct drive.

PS. If the shift lever is a dogleg (cast, curved shape), you have a Sherman combination. Forward is underdrive, middle is neutral, back is overdrive, and middle/out/back is direct drive. If the lever is a fairly straight rod with a threaded ball on the end, it is likely an overdrive, which does not pull out. Depress the clutch when shiffing it.

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Rob

06-19-2003 09:23:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Several controls in reply to KCM, 06-19-2003 07:59:50  
That's probably all true but I figure if I'm running at twice the ground speed and the pto is running at twice the rpm then I'm doing the same work per foot, like the mower is cutting 5 times per foot or whatever. Same job on the grass.
It follows that if you run at twice the ground speed and the same pto rpm then you only do a half-job on the grass.
My hog sounds like a turbo-prop feathered for take-off but I get the grass mowed in a hurry!

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KCM

06-19-2003 14:06:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Several controls in reply to Rob, 06-19-2003 09:23:16  
They don't call them whirly birds for nothing!



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JimNC

06-18-2003 18:14:26




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 Re: Several controls in reply to Ryan Ayares, 06-18-2003 17:50:46  
The bigger lever just behind the starter sounds like a Sherman trans. Either an overdrive or underdrive. The smaller lever is to engage the pto forward is engaged and rearward to disengage.


Jim



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souNdguy

06-18-2003 18:09:52




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 Re: Several controls in reply to Ryan Ayares, 06-18-2003 17:50:46  
Sounds like you have an aux trannie.. the forward one is most likely a sherman.. they came in step up, step down, and combo.

The other is probably the pto engage / disengage lever.

Slide to the back to engage...make sure you clutch to do this.

You'll find you need the pto engaged to have hydraulic 3pt lift.

Soundguy



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