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BRYAN FUNSTON

06-18-2003 19:50:42




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I have a 1939 ford 9n still 6 volt, that I have had spark problems for the last 20 years. Basicly
after a tune up or sparkplug cleaning, it runs
on all four cylinders for a few hours, then
starts missing one 1 then 2 cylinders.At this point if I pull the sparkplug wire off enough
to make the spark jump to the plug it will fire
a few more hours this way.This tells me the coil
needs to build up more voltage. In the past 20
years I have replaced wiring plug wires.cleaned
connections on ballast under dash , put a jumper
wire inside distrubuter bypassing point block
which has build up on it.Every thing I do helps
for awhile.I have been told I need solid core
plugwires but havent switched to them.Yes it
runs a little rich, but its not loading up.
I think its voltage problem, how many volts
should be at coil when running? Im open to all
ideas,I have tried everything I can think of.
By the way it runs good and strong till she
start missing. thanks

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Bryan Funston

06-24-2003 17:30:39




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 Re: weak spark in reply to BRYAN FUNSTON, 06-18-2003 19:50:42  
Thanks for the feed back I have been getting,
Here is where were at. New plugs, points condenser,cap, rotor, and solid core wires.
I found out that I did have solid core wires
on already, forgot I put them on. made a new
strap from the old set of points to go from
the screw the coil touches to points because
connection looked bad. { I had this connection
bypassed with a jumper wire,I just fixed it
permenent this time)I did not really find anything
that looked like problem yet.I started it up
and it purred like a kitten, just like it
always does. I have not put it to work yet
till I get a little more feed back from you.
Here is what I hane for voltage readings.
With key on motor not running,
battery 6.2
ballist one test lead ground 6.2
at wire on coil points closed 6.2
points open 2.2
ballist at this time same 2.2
does that make since to anyone?
I have replaced the coil years ago, at one point
it was missing I ran a hot wire battery to
coil and it would quite missing instantly.I left
it there for quite awhile.Did I hurt the coil?
Im thinking at this point before I go out to
foul the plugs I will put on a new coil. I have
never timmed it before, I see the screw on the
distrubter to loosen and move breaker plate but
I dont see any timming marks. Any thought on that.
WHEN you crack the throttle lever it will fall
on its face like timming is retarted. thanks

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Phil (NJ-AZ-SK)

06-20-2003 04:05:22




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 Re: weak spark in reply to BRYAN FUNSTON, 06-18-2003 19:50:42  
Bryan, The MOST important Voltage Measurement is the Drop "across" the Ballast Resistor..(one test lead on one side of the Ballast and the other Test lead on the other side of the Ballast)

The Voltage Drop "across" the Ballast is dependant on the current in the Primary Circuit.. The higher the voltage.. the higher the current... It is the current that is important to the Coil..

Normal System = ~ 3.2 Volts

Marginal System = < 2.0 Volts

If you have low voltage across the Ballast it means you have some unwanted resistance in the circuit...,Wire connections, ignition Switch,Bad Points, Bad Ground connection in Dist, etc.

Just hook up your meter to the Ballast and then jumper Stuff until the Voltage Jumps Up to Normal, and you have found your problem.

Hope This Helps,

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Dave OH

06-18-2003 23:17:19




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 Re: weak spark in reply to BRYAN FUNSTON, 06-18-2003 19:50:42  
As "Dell" said if you have carbon core wires that IS the problem. Jumping the ignition switch wouldn't hurt, but if you have not replaced the coil in years it could be bad. I would work in that order.
Dave OH



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Dell (WA)

06-18-2003 22:24:02




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 Re: weak spark in reply to BRYAN FUNSTON, 06-18-2003 19:50:42  
Bryan..... ....what Joel sez..... ..and.....

Sounds like you need a good tune-up with correct specifications. Yes, I concour that your description is consistant with weak sparkies.

Modern no-lead gas needs hotter sparkie heat range Autolite AL-437 or Champion H-12..... gap 0.025

Ignition points..... .gap 0.015.....too wide a gap gonna give you weak sparkies.

And while I recommend nice soft flexable coppercore sparkie wires 'cuz old hard cracked sparkie wires gonna cause misses, not stop ya from runnin'.

BUT if you have modern anti-radio static carbon core, that carbon is gonna cut yer sparkies and cause missin' after a couple hours runnin' time. Be smart and replace with NEW COPPER CORE sparkie wires, ok?

As for voltage readings, a good OEM 6 volt frontmount (with mandantory "infamous ballast resistor") should read with points closed about 3.5 volts (2.5 min, 4.0 max) and 6 volts with points open. Any other volts gonna give ya sparkie problems..... .....respectfully, Dell

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Joel (SoCal 44's)

06-18-2003 20:20:18




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 Re: weak spark in reply to BRYAN FUNSTON, 06-18-2003 19:50:42  
Have you tried a new ignition switch?? Voltage drop anywhere can get ya. THis seems the only thing you haven't replaced electrically. How's your compression??

My voltage drop story is about a '79 Datsun 280ZX w/fuel injection. JUST DIED one day. I replaced ALL the sensors, tried a new "brain". Nuttin doin'!!! Figgered I'd re-terminate the battery cable ends since they looked nasty and corroded. Guess what!?!?!?!?! IT STARTED!!! The voltage drop at the corrosion was enough to keep the fuel injectors from opening!!!!! !!!!!

Nuff said..... ..... ....

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