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andyvgarvo

06-30-2003 18:37:39




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I was using my 9N to disc. Got stuck and jammed tractor and disc together trying to back out. Now my lift arms won't work, pto is ingaged and hydro pump is pumping. Took off hydro cover I see no damage or broken parts. Anyone have a clue what could be going wrong.




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ZANE

07-01-2003 07:04:54




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 Re: hydro won't lift in reply to andyvgarvo, 06-30-2003 18:37:39  
If you took off the lift cover and didn't see anything broken then the two arms that are supposed to connect to the control valve "T" thingy on the control valve must have been disconnected because if it had still been connected and you pulled the lift cover without dis-connecting it first it would most likely have broken the control valve stem which is small and delicate and easily broken.

Should have determined what was wrong first before you tore into it.The 9N lift has no position control.To maintain the lift at a given position the hand must constantly be on the control lever to continually re adjust. I can fix that for you if you will Email me at wzsherman@aol.com or see the link below.

The most common places to leak on the lift is the piston rings and the pressure relief valve.
In order to determine where the lift is leaking you should remove the right hand inspection plate that holds the dip stick for the lift oil.If oil runs out when this cover is removed it has too much oil in it and letting it run out is ok.

Start the tractor with a load on the lift arms such as a rotary cutter etc. raise the lift and observe inside the lift to see where the oil is leaking down.If the piston rings are leaking their will be a pretty good stream of oil coming out the end of the ram cylinder. If just a few drops this is ok.

Observe the oil in the resorvoir and if you see the oil swirling around the relief valve is probably leaking.It is the gadget that is screwed into the back of the hydralic pump just under the pto shaft.It will be under the oil and feels something like a spark plug.

If before starting the tractor you will put your hand into the oil and locate the relief valve you can reach in and put one finger over the end of the relief valve and determine if it is leaking after the tractor has again been started. DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF PUTING A FINGER IN THE PUMP MECHANISM!!!!

If however you don't see a signifacant leak from the top you can assume that the relief valve is leaking and simply replace it with a new one and thereby prvent the possible loss of a finger or two.

I;ve never tried it but I’ve read that you can drain enough oil from the lift reservoir to uncover the relief valve and see if it is leaking instead of using the obviously dangerous finger feel thing I described.


There could also be a blown gasket somewhere in the upper portion of the lift but if so you will see a lot of oil coming down from the top and then it’s just a case of taking the cover off and finding the culprit.

Be sure to release the control rods from the control valve T on the pump before trying to remove the lift cover. To fail to do so will result in a broken lift control valve stem.
Zane in Alabama.

If you should be having trouble with the lift not going down when the lever is moved to the down position I would suggest that while the inspection plate is off on the side of the lift housing you reach in and manually push the two levers that go into the oil in the reservoir and are connected to the control valve. The control valve sometimes sticks in the up position. If you should find that you can make it go down by pushing toward the front of the tractor internally on the control rods then you should drain the lift and pour about 5 gallons of clean kerosene through the lift with the drain open. It is best to pour it directly into the inspection hole. Let the kerosene that drains out sit for about 15 minutes and pour it through again leaving the portion that is in the bottom of the container to be discarded. This should have the residue in it that may have been causing the control valve to stick when it was carried into the control valve.

You should also inspect the spring that is connected between the front end of the ram cylinder of the lift to the knee portion of the control rods that go from the linkage at the top to the control valve in the bottom of the pump. This spring sometimes looses it tension from age and usage and must have enough tension on it to pull the control valve out when the lever is moved to the down position.

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BOB

06-30-2003 19:49:40




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 Re: hydro won't lift in reply to andyvgarvo, 06-30-2003 18:37:39  
Sounds like linkage is off at bottom of pump under all that fliud. take right side cover off and (go swimming)in oil.please DONT have tractor running when checking that pump takeya fingers off!!! when you find this valve move quidrant lever and see if things are moveing? T-shape valve



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andyvgarvo

06-30-2003 20:40:42




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 Re: Re: hydro won't lift in reply to BOB, 06-30-2003 19:49:40  
Thanks Bob I did try what you suggested. I believe that the valve was ok. Any other suggestion you can think of.I took off the hydo cover to see if anything looed broke all seems ok. Is it possible that the pump relief could be bad? Have you ever heard of this vavle going bad.



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Dell (WA)

06-30-2003 22:21:26




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 Re: Re: Re: hydro won't lift in reply to andyvgarvo, 06-30-2003 20:40:42  
Andy..... ...if you took your round 6" dipstick plate off and you didn't see a problem, its 'cuz ya didn't look the right place. Sounds like ya sprung/broke your "dog-bone" linkage. The dogbone connects the hydraulic piston to the lift arm spoon. Infact, hydraulic pistons have been known to get a hole punched into their top by jambing the 3-point lift in reverse. You're going to have to remove the hydraulic seat cover to assess the damages. And if'n its the piston, recommend you "up-grade" to the improved NAA "O-ring" style piston ..... ...Dell

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