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Roger Stice

07-15-2003 00:17:50




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For the past 12 years that I've owned operated my 8N I have always used a lead additive in the gas. Recently a nieghbor told me he no longer uses lead additives for his gas powered older tractors that originally used leaded gas. His claim is that today's unleaded gas provides valve cushioning properties that earlier formulas of unleaded gas did not. Your comments concerning this matter will be appreciated. Roger

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David - OR

07-15-2003 07:52:56




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 Re: Lead additive for gas in reply to Roger Stice, 07-15-2003 00:17:50  
The 8N had hardened exhaust valve seats, anticipating a move made by automakers 25 years later. It does not need lead to control exhaust valve recession.

Your neighbor, however, is incorrect. Modern unleaded gasoline does not contain any additives for valve seat lubrication. (There is no practical need, since cars built since 1974 have hardened seats).

A major purveyor of "modern unleaded gasoline" has this to say:

"A federal sponsored study of older gasoline-powered farm equipment showed some performed satisfactorily on unleaded gasoline, but most experience valve-seat wear, especially during the water pumping portion of the testing."

Personally, I run cheap 87 octane unleaded in my 8N engine. Rather than adding lead additives, I sometimes think about cutting the gas with even cheaper off-road diesel fuel to save a little more money and lower the octane rating towards the design range of the engine....

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'52 8N (MD)

07-15-2003 05:47:39




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 Re: Lead additive for gas in reply to Roger Stice, 07-15-2003 00:17:50  
I also used re-lead until I found this board. Same goes for non-detergent oil. One positive side effect of some lead additives is that they slightly increase octane rating. Along with the additive question is the use of a hotter plug than the Champion H-10 or Autolite 216 to help burn todays "s..tty" gas more effectively. Now I've got a cupboard full of lead additive; want some? I personally use 89 octane instead of 87 because it is a little cleaner and that's all.

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chuck

07-15-2003 07:04:55




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 Re: Re: Lead additive for gas in reply to '52 8N (MD), 07-15-2003 05:47:39  
What makes you think that 89 is cleaner than 87? That is not true. The only difference between the two is the octane which is 20 points higher than necessary for an 8N with a 6.5 compression ratio. These tractors only need octane ratings in the 60 point range to operate safely. Purchasing anything higher than the lowest octane fuel available is a waste of money and resources.

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Pitch

07-15-2003 02:20:38




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 Re: Lead additive for gas in reply to Roger Stice, 07-15-2003 00:17:50  
it is generally agreed that lead additives are a waste of money in your N for several reasons. They contain no lead, the engine turns so slow and at a low enough compression that that cushioning is not needed.
These engines were designed in the days of "Whitegas" the original nolead and therefore don't need it. Lead in gasoline was never put in there for valve cushioning puposes. Lead was put in to slow or control the detonation time of fuel as the old gas was much more volitile than todays and lead was added to stop predetonation. What ever lubrication the lead afforded the vavles was a side effect.

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