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norman cox

07-17-2003 00:36:51




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Fitted 2 resistors ( Parrallel ) in line with feed to coil as suggested by Dell. ( See nearly there ) Tractor ran fine for an hour and then smoke - the resistors have burnt out. Obviously it wont start now so I can`t check voltage from alternator and I dont want to run it without resistors in line and risk burning out new coil. What do I do now Thanks




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ZANE

07-17-2003 18:36:24




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 Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to norman cox, 07-17-2003 00:36:51  
I always install two resistors in "series" that is out of the first one and into the second one. I would think that two resistors in Parallel still equals the value of one resistor ????

Zane



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Dell (WA)

07-17-2003 19:34:32




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 Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to ZANE, 07-17-2003 18:36:24  
Zane..... ..resistors in series add, resistors in parallel are the reciprocal of the sum of the reciprocals of the individual resistors..... .RTotal (parallel).... 1/Rt = 1/R1 + 1/R2 + 1/R3 + 1/R4 + 1/Rn-1 + 1/Rn

If 2 equal value resistors are paralleled, total vaue is 1/2 the individual resistor value..... ..Dell



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Dave OH

07-17-2003 19:31:06




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 Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to ZANE, 07-17-2003 18:36:24  
Just for info: For resistor in parallel the formula is, R1XR2 divided by R1+R2 = Actual Ohms of resistance. For resistors in series: Resistance total = R1+R2+R3 etc.
Dave OH



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souNdguy

07-17-2003 04:54:11




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 Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to norman cox, 07-17-2003 00:36:51  
I have to agree with Dell. Those ceramic resistors are tough cookies... I don't think I've ever 'burned' one out.. even the cheaper malaysain made radio shack ones.

Tractor electrics are as simple as you get... usually only three-four circuits.. ignition, starting, charging, and lights.

Check your wiring for a short. My guess is you have a wire touching ground somewhere ahead or behinf the resistor, and that is where the circuit is open ( if anywhere ).

Do you get a voltage reading on the ignition switch side of the resistor? If so, that line is good. Do you get a voltage reading on the output side of the resistor? If so, then the resistor is good. ( check to make sure you didn't twist one of the legs off making it a 10 watt 1 ohm resistor again... )

Overall, with more resistance in the circuit.. there is less current flow... don't see how that could cause your problems unless you have a short somewhere. Follow those wires good. Run temporary ones as jumpers and disconnect the old ones as a test. At home I keep many varied lengths of pre-made jumpers with aligator clips.. makes these diagnostics easier. For your tests, you don't need anything that fancy. Just recreate your basic ignition circuit, bypassing everything, including switch... just start with the battery, whatever resistors you are using, and the coil... If everything is working, then start working backwards and start adding in componets to check.. like the switch, wiring blocks if used, etc... you will eventually find the component or wire that is causing the fault.

Check your connections well, and make sure you arent grounding anything where it shouldnt be.. like an errant strand of wire sticking out from the primary connection on the coil, etc.

let us know what you find.

good luck

Soundguy

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norman cox

07-17-2003 07:45:45




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 Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to souNdguy, 07-17-2003 04:54:11  
Just call me silly boy. Watched resistors fry whilst checking to earth. Wire to coil was led across manifold and burnt so direct short causing resistor to act as over rated fuse. Wii get some more resistors today, run a new wire and make sure I keep it off any hot surfaces. Thankyou all



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Lee

07-17-2003 10:59:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to norman cox, 07-17-2003 07:45:45  
Glad to hear that's all it was and you found it so fast. Doncha wish all the weird problems were that easy.
Good Luck, Lee



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Dell (WA)

07-17-2003 01:52:46




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 Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to norman cox, 07-17-2003 00:36:51  
Coxie..... ...my secret trick resistors used to control the modern 12 volt frontmount ignition coil current are WAY OVERRATED in current safety (watts)..... ..ie..... 12 volt coil should draw about 3 amps and trick resistors (2, 1 ohm 10 watt resistors in parallel is worth 1/2 ohm at 20 watts) should draw the same 3 amps at about 2 volt drop (14.7 to 12.6)..... ..computing..... Power is as simple as pie (P=IxE)..... . 3 amps times 2 volts = 6 watts power.

Trick resistor is rated 20 watts (2-10 watt resistor in parallel is worth 20 watts) 20 watts is factor of 3+, well in excess of recommended electrical engineering design stds.

You do realize all ceramic POWER RESISTORS smoke for about 1/2+ hr because of the way that they are made. The heat from electrical usage (watts) vaporizes the oil used in manufacturing and makes them smoke for a while. This is normal and most people never realize it because radiator fan usually blows smoke away from those hot buggers.

But then I haven't inspected your installation and you could have mounted them so they touch plastic wire insulation which is a NO-NO.

I can't think of any reason for your resistors to smoke and quit working. Are you sure you burn out your resistors?..... instead of case of electrical beginners pannic? ..... ....Dell

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ZANE

07-18-2003 05:54:30




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 Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to Dell (WA), 07-17-2003 01:52:46  
I do admire people who can learn mathamatics and even retain what they have learned. I can't when it comes to mathamatics.

I studied and completed a "Home electronics" course from Bell and Howell and the Devrie Institute on the GI bill at home. I even got through all that ----- --mathematics but only with the help of a calculator that I had to go buy and at the time pay about $60.00 for to get though the course. I wish I could have retained all that stuff. I think that if I could have really learned all that theory and math I could have by now invented a transporter like that on "Stay Treck"! All I really learned to do was solder pretty good. I built about every kit that "Heath Kit" had to offer in the course of the course. I even built the first all solid state TV that any body around here had ever seen. I could even repair it! I still have that thing and it looks like a big dog house with ventilation holes drilled all over it so it can cool. The picture tube finally gave up the ghost about 10 years ago and it was going to cost more than a good new TV so it is out in the barn now.I use it now to raise mice and Wrens. I just can't make myself throw it away! The moral of this story is that an education doesn't neccessarily mean that you learned anything!

Zane

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ZANE

07-18-2003 05:43:33




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 Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to Dell (WA), 07-17-2003 01:52:46  
Are you saying that the modern 12 volt coils for the front mount distributor are not designed to handle the approximate 14 volts that a modern alternator produces and that these coils need to have the voltage to them reduced to properly operate? In modern automotive systems the coils do not require any voltage reductions to operate with the 14 volts that the system usually operates with. Why would the so called modern 12 volt front mount coil????
I just want to understand (why)

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yep . . . Dell (WA)

07-18-2003 06:15:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Dell - Resistors burnt out = HELP in reply to ZANE, 07-18-2003 05:43:33  
Zane..... ...yep, the modern square frontmount 12 volt coil was miss-designed. Used to get a little sheet of paper (but who reads instructions, eh?) that said 13.8 volts MAX. This special restriction also included another note to use a 0.47 ohm 10 watt resistor. This special note showed up after about 1 year of the 12 volt coil being on the market and being returned to the vendors for being "bad coils".

My guess, the frontmount coil was designed for 12.6 volts with a design safety margin of +10% = 13.8 volts. The designers apparently didn't realize that the popularly used (because its cheep and has built-in voltage regulator) Delco 10-SI 12 volt alternator actually puts out 14.7 volts and 14.7 volts pushes too much amps and melts the insulative tar inside the coil. If'n they'd designed it for 15 volts, ya wouldn't need that "trick resistor" (1/2 ohm, 20 watt) to limit the coil current so the insulative tar doesn't melt..... ....Dell

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