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More tapping/clicking noise Q's

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Rick B. Silvert

07-21-2003 01:41:36




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In a previouse post I asked about a tapping noise in my 49 8n, seemingly from the number 1 cyl. I was cleaning it up after doing some grading and while it was idling I checked some more on my click/tap noise using a long screwdriver held to ear and block. I noticed that if I ran the rpm's up to full throttle and then suddenly slapped the throttle down to idle I could breifly hear the clicking/tapping noise change to a distinct "double click" as the engine speed abruptly settled back to idle and then the noise would like wise settle back to a slower single click.All this occurs after the engine is fully warmed up.Any thougts about what might be cause to this symptom? PS. I have had an ongoing problem of dry carbon fouling the number 1 plug while the other plugs look xclent. There is also a irregular popping in the exhaust at idle and under deceleration. All other plugs look xclent and compression is 110-115 on all cylinders.Thnx Bman

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Ron N

07-21-2003 12:01:25




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 Re: More tapping/clicking noise Q's in reply to Rick B. Silverton OR, 07-21-2003 01:41:36  
My 47 2N had the same systoms for 12 years, though at times, usually under stress, the tapping changed to a pronounced knock. My diagnosis was tappet noise and didnt worry much about it. Last month while mowing the noise abruptly changed to a bang and knocking. Upon dropping the pan, the #4 cylinder sleeve had slipped beneath the cylinder and crushed. Luckily I shut down before major damage was done. I'm now convinced that the tapping noise was the loose cylinder sleeve all along. It's sometimes very difficult to diagnose those taps & knocks. The machine shop bored the block and installed the thicker.090 sleeves.

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David - OR

07-21-2003 10:39:54




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 Re: More tapping/clicking noise Q's in reply to Rick B. Silverton OR, 07-21-2003 01:41:36  
The two N-series tractors I have operated in my life have both had the "irregular popping" syndrome you describe. It isn't a loud "bang", but rather a soft "poof" in the exhaust note.

I suspect this is lean misfire caused by the Marvel-Schebler carburetor back suction economizer system working a little too well at high manifold vacuum conditions.

Most of these tractors are set up to idle at 600 to 800 rpm. This puts them right in a range where they tend to "poof" at idle. They will pull a load OK at these speeds, the poofing stops as soon as the manifold vacuum drops down.

If your carburetor idle system actually works well enough to allow you to set it to the 400 RPM spec, this should cause the "poofing" to stop at the (slooowwww) idle speed. At this speed, the economizer vacuum inlet port is cut off by the throttle blade and it stops trying to lean out the mixture. You should be able to get a very nice, steady, pop-free idle at 400 RPM.

The 2N of my youth had the clicking behavior you describe. In that case, it was a loose sleeve that my Dad and I tried a couple of times to secure with various means. We never did manage to get it to stay put.

The tractor worked OK throughout my teen years, despite the noise from the sleeve, but we never pushed the tractor as hard as I push my 9N now. (Going above half-throttle back then was unusual.)

I would be reluctant to run a rotary mower at 3/4 to full throttle with a loose sleeve -- it is quite possible for the resulting stresses to crack the sleeve, or for the friction to egg out the bore in a way that prevents rebuilding the block, at least not with a simple resleeving.

I would not be as concerned about valve noise, if that, indeed, is the source of your clicking.

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Rick H. Ga.

07-21-2003 04:51:15




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 Re: More tapping/clicking noise Q's in reply to Rick B. Silverton OR, 07-21-2003 01:41:36  
Hi Rick B,

I'm not an expert mechanic, but my 49 8N clicked and ticked for 25 years until I rebuilt the engine and installed the newer adjustable tappets and valve rotators a couple of years ago. The old non-adjustable solid lifters (tappets) are a pain to adjust (you have to remove the valve and grind the end of the stem).

I have read on this forum that a cylinder sleeve can get loose and cause a tapping noise.

If the engine cranks good, runs good and has good power I would ignore the ticking until you decide to overhaul the engine. I don't think the ticking will hurt anything else as long as you have some oil pressure. HTH. Rick H. Ga.

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