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Hydraylic lift problem on 9n

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Ron Tx

07-21-2003 19:25:52




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My control lever will not operate the pump control valve properly. It locks up in the raise position and sometimes it comes out too far and comes out of the pump port. I tore every thing down and cleaned pump parts. The pump control valve had a bent pin, I thought that had to be the problem, I installed a new pump control valve, put it all back togeather. Did not fix it, same problem, the control linkage will not move the valve in and out. Has anyone out there had similar problem, or have a suggestion? I'm getting tired of tearing it apart.

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JRH_41_9N_STX

07-23-2003 15:08:49




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 Re: Hydraylic lift problem on 9n in reply to Ron Tx, 07-21-2003 19:25:52  
Ron,

When I had a problem like yours, my control valve was stuck, required a "tap" with a hammer.
Found this out when I asked the shop to press out the valve. My pump was taken into the back for approx. 5 min, then returned no charge.
Good luck



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FWIW

07-22-2003 16:19:27




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 Re: Hydraylic lift problem on 9n in reply to Ron Tx, 07-21-2003 19:25:52  
This probably isn't your trouble but it was mine; The "stirrup" shaped linkage piece to the control valve had been installed backwards at some time in the past. The lift would not go down.



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Ron tx

07-22-2003 21:31:27




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 Re: Re: Hydraylic lift problem on 9n in reply to FWIW, 07-22-2003 16:19:27  
Thanks for the response, but I so not think the linkage is backwards, it just will not move the control valve in and out like it's supposed to. It hangs in or out.
Ron



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ZANE

07-22-2003 06:48:54




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 Re: Hydraylic lift problem on 9n in reply to Ron Tx, 07-21-2003 19:25:52  
See the last paragraph of my "Trouble shooting" guide.The 9N lift has no position control.To maintain the lift at a given position the hand must constantly be on the control lever to continually re adjust. I can fix that for you if you will Email me at wzsherman@aol.com or see the link below.

The most common places to leak on the lift is the piston rings and the pressure relief valve.
In order to determine where the lift is leaking you should remove the right hand inspection plate that holds the dip stick for the lift oil.If oil runs out when this cover is removed it has too much oil in it and letting it run out is ok.

Start the tractor with a load on the lift arms such as a rotary cutter etc. raise the lift and observe inside the lift to see where the oil is leaking down.If the piston rings are leaking their will be a pretty good stream of oil coming out the end of the ram cylinder. If just a few drops this is ok.

Observe the oil in the resorvoir and if you see the oil swirling around the relief valve is probably leaking.It is the gadget that is screwed into the back of the hydralic pump just under the pto shaft.It will be under the oil and feels something like a spark plug.

If before starting the tractor you will put your hand into the oil and locate the relief valve you can reach in and put one finger over the end of the relief valve and determine if it is leaking after the tractor has again been started. DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF PUTING A FINGER IN THE PUMP MECHANISM!!!!

If however you don't see a signifacant leak from the top you can assume that the relief valve is leaking and simply replace it with a new one and thereby prvent the possible loss of a finger or two.

I;ve never tried it but I’ve read that you can drain enough oil from the lift reservoir to uncover the relief valve and see if it is leaking instead of using the obviously dangerous finger feel thing I described.


There could also be a blown gasket somewhere in the upper portion of the lift but if so you will see a lot of oil coming down from the top and then it’s just a case of taking the cover off and finding the culprit. The pump gasket can also blow inside and when this happens the lift will not raise any weight to speak of and is just about impossible to detect. The only thing to do in this case is to elimitate everything else and then pull the pump and replace the gasket to differential housing gasket.

Be sure to release the control rods from the control valve T on the pump before trying to remove the lift cover. To fail to do so will result in a broken lift control valve stem.
Zane in Alabama.

If you should be having trouble with the lift not going down when the lever is moved to the down position I would suggest that while the inspection plate is off on the side of the lift housing you reach in and manually push the two levers that go into the oil in the reservoir and are connected to the control valve. The control valve sometimes sticks in the up position. If you should find that you can make it go down by pulling the valve toward the rear of the tractor internally on the control rods then you should drain the lift and pour about 5 gallons of clean kerosene through the lift with the drain open. It is best to pour it directly into the inspection hole. Let the kerosene that drains out sit for about 15 minutes and pour it through again leaving the portion that is in the bottom of the container to be discarded. You can also do a pretty good job with a garden sprayer with kerosene in it or diesel etc. A pressure washer will do it too but then you are going to have the water residue to contend with. You can never get it all out and it will discolor the oil from the start up.

You should also inspect the spring that is connected between the front end of the ram cylinder of the lift to the knee portion of the control rods that go from the linkage at the top to the control valve in the bottom of the pump. This spring sometimes looses it tension from age and usage and must have enough tension on it to pull the control valve out when the lever is moved to the down position.

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ron tx

07-22-2003 21:16:48




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 Re: Re: Hydraylic lift problem on 9n in reply to ZANE, 07-22-2003 06:48:54  
Zane, you have some good information,I will probably need some of it later, however my question on why the control lever will not move the control valve in and out is still unanswered , can they be a problem with the linkage other than the spring weakening?
Ron tx



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Nick in KY

07-22-2003 07:17:11




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 Re: Re: Hydraylic lift problem on 9n in reply to ZANE, 07-22-2003 06:48:54  
Zane, do you have a complete trouble shooting file an 8n hydraulics that you could post. Mine wont hold position long as it used to and from reading other posts I suspect pressure relief valve. N



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