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robertn

07-26-2003 20:47:36




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My Dad just got what appears to be an early 9N. On the engine block is the following number:
*9N2536II*

Is this a valid number? If so, it appears to be a 1939 number???

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RobertN in Shingle Spring, Calif




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Dell (WA)

07-26-2003 21:05:07




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 Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to robertn, 07-26-2003 20:47:36  
Robert..... ....congrats, your dad has the "braggin' rights" to a late 1946 2N. s/n 9N253611. All 2N's engine s/n start with 9N. The s/n was hand stampped and for some reason, the ol'man used alpha's for numerics, like letter "I" for number "1". lower case letter "b" for numeric "6" and upside down "b" for number "9". On the lefthand sidebar under "Research & Info" is a listing called "Serial Numbers". You can check out.

BTW..... .all 9N/2N's had 3-speed trannys and left and right straddle brakes. 8N's had 4-speed trannys and side-by-side brake pedals..... ...Dell

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robertn

07-26-2003 22:43:07




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 Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to Dell (WA), 07-26-2003 21:05:07  
Yes, She is 3-spd, with brakes as you mention. The muffler also has pretty obvious shoe or boot rubber on it, since it only has pegs for foot rests. He did mention today that he found a small "2N" on the grill, after I made the previous posting.

I loaded it and a disk, plow, and scraper on my trailer. The only way the 3-point worked was if the PTO was engaged. Is this a problem, or a feature?

It needs a tune up, but appears pretty solid. I did not see any welds on it, except for the steering arms, which both had repairs.

Thnx
RobertN in Shingle Springs, Calif

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Tom (MI)

07-26-2003 23:01:32




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 Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to robertn, 07-26-2003 22:43:07  
The 3 point will only work with lever on the left hand side under the seat engaged toward the rear of the tractor. What style radius arms does it have? I-beam was pre-1944. Many enginge blocks have been changed over the years, since they were so compatible.



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RobertN

07-27-2003 12:21:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to Tom (MI), 07-26-2003 23:01:32  
What is the radius arm? Although I am familiar with tractors, it is mostly my Kubota and Farmall-A. The Ford is totally new to me.



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Dell (WA)

07-27-2003 19:03:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to RobertN, 07-27-2003 12:21:40  
Robert..... ...radius arms are the arms that tri-angulates the outter front axle back to the side of the tranny. This keeps your frontaxle square with the direction of travel. Remember, your front axle pivots/tilts (side-to-side) around a single "king-pin" and the kingpin doesn't keep the axle straight with the tractor because it is NOT strong enuff. Radius rods are different than the "tie-rods" that couple the push-pull steering gearbox to the front axle lever arms..... ...Dell

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RobertN

07-28-2003 07:00:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to Dell (WA), 07-27-2003 19:03:11  
I am not sure what it has. IT's Dad's as mentioned, and is 45 minutes from me. I'll ask him this week.

I do know the actual steering linkage from the fron axle/spindle back to the steering box arms sure are hashed together. The have multiple repairs.

Interesting the differences in tractors. My Farmall does not have radius arms.

Thnx for all the info. My Dad was very appreciative of the help and information!

RobertN

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Tom (MI)

07-26-2003 23:22:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to Tom (MI), 07-26-2003 23:01:32  
I would just like to note that the engine block seiral number, only tells you when the block was made. There are many other factors into determining what year the tractor itself actually is.

Tom



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Dell (WA)

07-26-2003 22:58:27




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 Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to robertn, 07-26-2003 22:43:07  
Robert..... ..thats right, the hydraulic pump is driven by the PTO, so if'n yer big cloddhoppers are stompped down on the clutch pedal, ya ain't gonna get the tranny to turn the PTO to run the hydraulics. Is that a problem, no, not really, you learn to live with it. Later, after they found out how "handy" built-in hydraulics were, they developed "live hydraulics" which were engine operated instead of tranny operated, and then they developed "remote" hydraulics for loaders, etc.

These tractors are really fairly simple, recommend you get an I&T FO-4 manual $27 cheap. Remember, the N-Tractor was designed for horse farmers, and you can operate a computer..... .....Dell

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RobertN

07-27-2003 12:19:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to Dell (WA), 07-26-2003 22:58:27  
My expierience is with my late 80's hydrostatic Kubota and '41 Farmall-A. The Farmall does not have hydraulics, or starter. Just a drawbar, hand crank, although it has a PTO. Mostly I use it to tow a utility trailer, and run in parades.

So, this Ford is totally new to me. I had never been on one before. The hydraulics did work fine, based on the operation you describe. It runs good, but needs tuning and adjusting. It was converted to 12v(unnecessary to me). It idles really high,, and does not react to the throttle lever till mid point.

I told my Dad he needs to do what I did when I got the Farmall. Enjoy putting on it while ordering a manual(thanks for the manual ID!). Then, get oil, gas and air filters. Change all the fluids so they are fresh and clean. Put a full tuneup, including plugs, wires, rotor, cap, points/condensor in there. Check the timing. Adjust the carb and governer as required. Adjust valve lash as needed. I'm not sure how easy the valve adjustment is compared to my Farmall though.

And, enjoy working on the old Iron ;-) Maybe then it can be a second tow tractor for my Cub Scout Pack parades this winter.

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Doug (OH)

07-27-2003 16:35:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to RobertN, 07-27-2003 12:19:24  
My 9n with 8n motor also idles high and doesn't react until mid throttle. Anybody out there know why?



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robertn

07-27-2003 18:02:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to Doug (OH), 07-27-2003 16:35:40  
I am going to guess at this, but I think I am on the right track. I think the issue with a high idle and no throttle reaction until mid-throttle is related to linkage adjustment and governer adjustment, or a worn governer parts. I had some small issue on my Farmall that was similar, and that was the issue.



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Doug (OH)

07-27-2003 16:32:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: possible 9n serial number in reply to RobertN, 07-27-2003 12:19:24  
My 9n with 8n motor also idles high and doesn't react until mid throttle. Anybody out there know why?



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