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New Alternator-Won't Quit Now

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ReidNAATN

08-09-2003 20:23:11




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I just put a "new" alternator on my NAA after old one was verified dead. I replaced the old one with a rebuilt from the parts store that looked and hooked up just like the old one (actually for a 75 C-10 Chevy). After a fresh charge on the battery from a charger and installing new alt - my tractor (I know i'll be cursed for saying this) won't quit. I saw some info regarding same topic in recent posts, alot of great info, but I am still lost. Do I need to replace ign switch, install "idiot light", various diodes, secondary on-off switch to my coil??? Feeling like an idiot when I can't shut my tractor off. Any practical solutions appreciated. Why was this not a problem before my alt died?

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souNdguy

08-09-2003 21:35:12




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 Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to ReidNAATN, 08-09-2003 20:23:11  
There's a couple things you can do.. most elegant would be a diode.. though, if you aren't electrically inclined.. it would be a difficult explanation based on the numerous ways to install a 12v kit.

Easiest i can think of, and least elegant is a second switch somewhere in an inconspicous location.. just a toggle, etc...

But yes.. as it is wired, you now have a charging system that is backfeeding the ignition side of the switch.

Soundguy

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ReidNAATN

08-10-2003 06:54:13




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 Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to souNdguy, 08-09-2003 21:35:12  
I would imagine that a simple on-off toggle switch between my original ign switch and coil will do the job. Where would I put a diode in, if I chose to do so and any ideas as to why this has not been a problem in the past. I thought some alt had internal diodes to take care of this. Have I gotten a bad "new" alternator that may have a problem? Puzzled why this is now an issue - didn't have this condition with old alternator.

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Dell (WA)

08-10-2003 18:17:00




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 Re: Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to ReidNAATN, 08-10-2003 06:54:13  
Reid..... ....instead of toggle switch between P-1 (excite) of your new alternator and ignition switch ON terminal, use a momentary pushbutton switch like a doorbell switch. That is ALL your alternator needs, a momentary surge of EXCITATION to get the alternator charging. You use a toggle switch, and you'll forget to "un-switch" it, guarantee it.

That momentary switch will disconnect any "feedback" from your new alternators gutts which is why you can't turn your engine off.

Of course, you could install an "idiot light" between P-1 EXCITE and ignition switch ON like General Motors been doing for 30 years, using a trailer clearance lamp assy (has 2 built-in wires, eazy to install and you don't really have to look at the idiot light, mount it anywhere)

Or you could install a 1-way diode between P-1 EXCITE and the ignition switch ON terminal.

As to why you NOW HAVE PROBLEM, I haven't got a clue except to guess that your replacement alternator is different than your OLD alternator and that there was probably some internal changes to the gutts of your old alternator by the original converter..... ....Dell, a 12 volt advocate for the right reason, who knows 8 different ways to correctly convert with DELCO 10-SI alternators the first time

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ReidNAATN

08-10-2003 19:15:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to Dell (WA), 08-10-2003 18:17:00  
OK, sounds like I have one of the other eight ways you mention Dell. After great amount of studying I have a diagram showing the exact wiring of my tractor. For some reason, I think this is not your normal setup here. P1 (on ALT)goes to my ACC(on IGN SW), BAT(on ALT) goes to ING(on IGN SW), P2(on ALT) goes to BAT (on IGN SW).
I will try to attach diagram - so bear with me if at first I don't succeed. Thanks

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Dell (WA)

08-10-2003 20:25:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to ReidNAATN, 08-10-2003 19:15:58  
Reid..... ...you write..... ."P1 (on ALT)goes to my ACC(on IGN SW), BAT(on ALT) goes to ING(on IGN SW), P2(on ALT) goes to BAT (on IGN SW)"

First off, ignition switches can't handle the POWER out of the alternator without burning up. So when you write ...." BAT(on ALT) goes to ING(on IGN SW)"..... that scares me..... Because your alternator is at least 50 amps output..... .and "ING" is usually ignition switch OUTPUT and goes to the ignition coil, not BATT input (from alternator)

Secondly, you write....."P2(on ALT) goes to BAT (on IGN SW).....usually P2 is connected by short wire to alternator BATT STUD.

The only thing that makes sense is..... .you write..... "P1 (on ALT)goes to my ACC(on IGN SW)"..... this is the same thing as idiot light or your pushbutton EXCITE switch. This is suppost to make your tractor engine "turn off" (which is what you are complaining about) when you turn your key OFF.

So based upon what you write, I'd suggest the following changes:

1) connect P-2 directly by short wire to alternator BATT STUD

2) connect alternator BATT STUD to starter solenoid BATT STUD (now battery will charge)

3) connect ignition switch BATT to starter solenoid BATT STUD, this will give power to BOTH the ignition coil and to P-1 EXCITE thru the ACC terminal

4) connect ignition switch IGN to 12 volt ignition coil input.

You may find your "non-tractor standard" automotive ignition switch is "fried" inside. Just replace it with same kind of switch..... ....HTH, Dell

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souNdguy

08-10-2003 10:17:22




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 Re: Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to ReidNAATN, 08-10-2003 06:54:13  
Just about every 12v setup can/is different. Not sure what changed in your setup.. it is possible that your old alternator had some internal differences.. or was bad.. or.. who knows.

But yes, a togle switch in line with the coil will act as a kill switch easy. I'de have to see an existing schematic of your electrical system before I suggested where to put a diode.. so many ways to hook these 12v conversions up, etc.. would have to see what is where.. etc.

Soundguy

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Tom (MI)

08-09-2003 20:29:47




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 Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to ReidNAATN, 08-09-2003 20:23:11  
Where on the ignition switch did you hook the alt wire? Sounds like you hooked it on with the coil wire.

Tom



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ReidNAATN

08-10-2003 06:47:51




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 Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to Tom (MI), 08-09-2003 20:29:47  
The only wires I worked with went to alternator. I didn't touch any of the ignition wires or any others. I simply unplugged where I could and disconnected one wire going to post on alt and re-installed alt. Now the darn thing won't quit.



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Jerry L.I. N.Y.

08-10-2003 11:06:12




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 Re: Re: Re: New Alternator-Won't Quit Now in reply to ReidNAATN, 08-10-2003 06:47:51  
Bigdean63 on the m-h link posted circuits for various models>Link
hope>Link this helps
Jerry



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