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Followup HitMiss and Inman Too...

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Adam P

09-15-2003 17:55:25




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Just wanted to say thanks to those that responded to my last post. Mike S & Jeb2N, don't be to surprised, if I need some Maytag info!!! I heard one over the web in my research (a file) and I did like the way it would hit and miss!!! So now I suppose, I will learn more and find the right one...
Rick H. GA just wanted to say thanks for remembering I'm in GA too!!! And yes I will be going to the Inman show, What day will you be going??? Looks like I will be going on Saturday and would love to hook up with you and put a face with the name...Maybe grab lunch...
Anyway, thanks again guys!!!
AP

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Ed-Ga.

09-16-2003 20:15:46




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 Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Adam P, 09-15-2003 17:55:25  
sounds like the Inman show will be well represented. I run between the IH tent, grist mill and Ford tractor display. Hope to do the hand start race with an 8N this year, tired of the same old F-20 and H. Installed electronic ignition on my 6 volt front mount 48 8N and it hand cranks great. Weather is going to be good----- stop and say hello---would like to meet you all.
Ed.



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Mike S

09-16-2003 04:22:16




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 Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Adam P, 09-15-2003 17:55:25  
You'll like playing with your Maytag, they are kinda unique and have a great history as you will find out once you start lurking the net in earnest. Look up the Maytag car. Amazing. True the 2 cylinder one is not as neat sounding as the single, it is amazing in its own right because it is so well balanced. Both plugs fire at the same time so there is no jerking motion like the singles. You used to see Maytag chained up on a porch. It was not to keep thieves from taking it, it was to keep it from walking off the porch. When I got my first twin, I fired it up sitting on the tailgate of my truck and it barely moved, just sat there and ran. I am going to Inman, also, but it looks like will have to be Sunday. Enjoy, it is a great place.

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ZANE

09-15-2003 18:38:21




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 Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Adam P, 09-15-2003 17:55:25  
I hope to be at the Inman GA show too. If the good Lord's willing and the creeks don't rise!

Bill Wilson is supposed to be there too I think.

Zane



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Jeb2N

09-15-2003 18:15:40




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 Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Adam P, 09-15-2003 17:55:25  
Hey there!

Rick, you are a lucky guy to have a wife like that!

You're welcome for the info. I love this old mess. I just have to stand back and marvel (and sometimes chuckle to myself) at the ingenuity and simplicity of these machines. I was amazed that I was able to take apart my tractor transmission in 25 minutes, and at how simple and uncomplicated a maytag "carburetor" is. I'll send you some pictures of my maytag so you can see some before and after pics.

My advise is to get a single as they have the true "hit and miss" operation, and you only have one cylinder, connecting rod, plug, etc. to worry about. I thought the twins were neat but i didn't like the sound. I think I know the web page you found, and yes, they do sound neat. A word of advise, though. When my single first started up, it ran kinda funny and fired a lot, but as it got broken in, it sounded better and better and was able to run slower. You just can't beat on of those neat little bundles of fun for $150! Enjoy your engine, whatever you get!

Jeb

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Neal

09-15-2003 18:33:53




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 Re: Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Jeb2N, 09-15-2003 18:15:40  
Please explain the hit and miss principal. I also have an old Maytag engine that looks to be in excellent condition. I last had it running about 10 years ago. They do sound different.

I tried Google to find info on how they work, but did not have any success.



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Jeb2N

09-15-2003 19:25:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Neal, 09-15-2003 18:33:53  
It's easy. All "hit and miss" refers to is the unique operation of an engine to only fire the spark plug when it needs to in order to maintain a certain speed. This is accomplished through a governor.

The most common method (used by maytags) is that then the flywheel spins fast enough, a spring loaded governor attached to the flywheel tries to fly away from the center and causes a set of electrical points to open, thereby preventing current flow to the spark plug. When the plug fires, it causes the engine to speed up and go faster than the minimum speed. Once it slows down to this minimum required speed or slower, the governor allows the points to close and allows the plug to spark for as many cycles as needed to get back to that pre-determined speed.

So, what basically happens, is that you get a John deere sounding *pop, chuff chuff chuff chuff chuff chuff, Pop! chuff, chuff..." under no load. When a load is applied, the plug fires more often and you get a *pop, pop, chuff, pop, chuff chuff, pop, pop, pop, chuff, pop* sound.

The later mayag twins were throttle governed, which I don't quite understand but i think it's kinda like setting the carb at a certain setting on an engine and just leaving it there. All you get with them is a continuous "whirr" like a smoothly running car engine. Not quite as neat and exciting, but a lot smoother and quieter. Anyway, that's a simple explanation of Hit and miss.

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Neal

09-15-2003 23:07:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Jeb2N, 09-15-2003 19:25:59  
Thanks Jeb2N for the explanation. Your answer also explains the totally different sound this little Maytag makes. I picked this thing up at a sale about 25+ years ago for two dollars. Shortly after that a neighbor gave me a old Maytag wash machine (electric, but has the holes already in to mount the gas engine) that is in excellent condition. The best I can tell is that it was made in the 30s. My wife used it a couple of times to wash her horse blankets, and it runs quieter than our much newer Maytag washer.

My reason for asking the question is that I just built a new 36 X 48 workshop and I moved the engine to the new shop, but never did understand the hit and miss principal. It sure looks like a simple engine.

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Rick H. Ga

09-15-2003 18:08:18




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 Re: Followup HitMiss and Inman Too... in reply to Adam P, 09-15-2003 17:55:25  
Hi Adam P,

I plan on going to the Inman show Saturday afternoon. I would be glad to meet you in person. I should be easy to spot because I am taking my wife who is disabled. She will be in her power wheel chair. She likes old tractors and hit and miss engines too. Best regards. Rick H. Ga.



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