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NO oil filter or housing on my 8N

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Richard Fazio

10-14-2003 05:32:41

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This is a wierd one. I've got this early 8N I bought off ebay for cheap. I had to fix the clutch, hydrolics, and the manifold. I finally got it running so I can use it. I ran it a while this weekend and was going to change the oil. I went to change the oil filter and ?? where is it?? I went and looked at my 2N and there it is right where it's supposed to be. The 8N has none. There isn't even a hole in the block where the filter drains back into the pan. This N never had a filter. I read through the archives and didn't see any talk about no filters. Can I add one? Is there any problem with drilling the block and tapping it for the return line? The feed should be simple, it's just a fitting on the line to the oil gauge. Then I need a housing, I guess I could order up one of those.

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Barry

10-14-2003 19:24:49

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

Richard, Look at this set of oil lines on ebay too. Maybe you can get all you need except the gauge.

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Good Luck, Barry

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Richard Fazio

10-14-2003 15:52:35

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

Wow, thanks for all the info guys. I may go for the $10.00 one on ebay. It only makes sense, I got the tractor on ebay also.

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Barry

10-14-2003 15:07:01

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

There is an 8N oil canister on ebay now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2565017960&category=11756

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Richard Fazio

10-14-2003 07:14:28

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

There is no filter between the filler tube and starter, or anywhere on the engine. I looked at my 2N and am using that for comparison. The 2N has a fitting on the right rear of the block high in the block just an inch or two under the head. the fitting is screwed into the block and has one copper line going back to the gauge. Another copper line goes around to the left side of the engine and into the filter. From the filter it goes to a cast boss in the block below the filter and straight down to the pan. There are no connections to the governor. The cast boss in the block for the return line is there on the 8N but not drilled and tapped. There is also no boss for the filter housing. The other strange thing is where the serial number would normally be, there is a plate that was made up with a bunch of small screws. It looks like there was a home made patch of some sort. I thought the block had a crack in it and was patched by someone. It doesn't leak and the thing runs very well. I get 125lbs compression in all cylinders, and no smoke. I would just like to have an oil filter of some sort.

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Dell (WA)

10-14-2003 09:24:52

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Re: Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 07:14:28

Fazzi..... ....The early 9N engines had oilfilter return into the block at a boss as you've described. Ford later foundout that wasn't getting enuff oil to the governor balls. They changed the governor cup so it has an "elbow" for filter return oilline. This is a field retrofit.

As to why your "E-bay bargain" doesn't have an oilfilter housing to the cylinder head, dunnno. BUT various versions of the N-Engine have been used in various industrial applications, like electrical generator sets, oilwell pumps, irrigation water pumps, heck even in Ford made WW2 Jeeps and city delivery vans. Good compression, I'd keep the current engine.

I concure, I'd want an oilfilter on my N-Engine. And if'n yer engine cylinderhead don't have the normal N-Filter attach boltholes, I'd figger out some sorta attachment plate to the cylinder headbolts or studnuts and mount a remote oilfilter conversion kit for screw-on oilfilter. Remote kits are available from outfits like JCWhitney. Then I'd plumb the return oil to the governor cup and take the pressureized oil from the oilpressure rear block fitting..... ...Dell

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Steve(OR)

10-14-2003 14:05:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 10:18:26

Since you are gonna run a line to a remote filter, I'd consider using a straight fitting rather than an elbow. Then you wouldn't have to worry about lining up the elbow with the oil line and still getting it snugged down enough to keep it from leaking. Sometimes the best orientaion for alignment isn't the best orientation for tightness. Just my opinion.

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yes . . . Dell (WA)

10-14-2003 10:27:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 10:18:26

Fazzi..... ...yep, #17 is oil return elbow..... but the governor cup has a "boss" for it to fit in. Getta replacement governor cup which will also have a capped boss for the late 8N's proofmeter drive..... ...Dell

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Ole Henry (Va)

10-14-2003 06:01:03

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

First - the filter should be on the left side of engine between the filler tube and the starter. Look for a boss with two ~ 1/2" diameter holes.

Second - the filter return line should go to the governor not into the block.

The governor should be oiled in some manner, check for an oil line and trace to source.

I think I've heard about some folks removing the filter as they aren't the full flow type and only filter a portion of the oil at each cycle. My opinion is some filtration beats none. Don't know how they got oil to the governor. A remedy may be to add a remote filter somewhere using a couple of existing bolts and a homemade bracket, and using the spin-on type filter. Makes changing oil a lot easier.

John A

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souNdguy

10-14-2003 05:55:17

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

This is just a guess now.. as I havn't actually really ever paid much attention to the oil routeing on the N ( as little as there is ), but I thought the feed was from left front on the engine.. to the cannister, then to the T at oil gauge, other side to gov. housing, oiling that bearing.
I would think that if you just have an oil line from a feed, to a T, one side to a gauge, the other side to a filter, then from there to the oil pan.. I would think the only oil pressur ethe gauge in that location would register is what it takes to push the oil thru the filter.. as there would be no bearing back pressure on the exhaust line where it returned to the block. I may be missing something though.. as I don't have any of my manuals here with me at work.

I'm sure someone else will jump in here and clear this up.

Soundguy

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souNdguy

10-14-2003 05:49:57

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Re: NO oil filter or housing on my 8N in reply to Richard Fazio, 10-14-2003 05:32:41

So are there any oil lines going to the gov'ner housing? I always thought that was the oil return point?

Does this N engine have a regular serial number.. or has the engine been swapped from say.. and industrial setup.. or a pump, etc.

Can you post a few pics?

Soundguy

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