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Compression ?

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Ole Henry (Va)

10-18-2003 15:07:06




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Here's the scoop; 51 8N, 6-volt, cranks on 2nd - 3rd umph, very little oil consumption - ~ 1 qt/75 hrs (slight smoke at start-up, then quits), hot oil pressure ~40 lb @ high speed, ~25 - 30 @ idle, runs quiet, good power, now listen up, compression: #4-90 dry/100 wet, #3-95 dry/100 wet, #2-92 dry/95 wet, AND #1-65 dry/65 wet. Did 5 puffs on each test, retested #1 (twice). Whasup?

Oh yeah, thanks to the board for helping me get the carb tuned, running too rich for too long.

Thanks folks...John A

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david - or

10-19-2003 10:17:15




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 Re: Compression ? in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-18-2003 15:07:06  
The engine will start OK as long as one or two cylinders have decent compression.

Low oil pressure is the result of oil pump and bearing wear, and is unrelated to cylinder sealing.

Have you checked your compression tester? Perhaps the guage is inaccurate. Try it on a car, or borrow another guage.

A leak-down tester (aka aircraft compression tester) would be a good way to track down issues with #1. They are also a more accurate way to evaluate cylinder sealing.

You could approximate a leakdown tester the following way. Position the engine to #1 TDC on compression stroke. Put the tractor in high gear. Pressurize #1 cyliner to 80 PSI or so with shop air, using a fabricated spark plug adapter or a rubber-nosed blow gun.

Listen at the carb air horn, the exhaust pipe, and the oil breather pipe for the hiss of escaping air. Some sound at the breather pipe is normal ring leakage, but any sound at the exhaust pipe or carb horn corresponds to a leaking valve which should be fixed.

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Jerry/MT

10-18-2003 20:09:52




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 Re: Compression ? in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-18-2003 15:07:06  
I presume you did your compression tests consistently with the throttle blocked open and no choke on all cylinders. It sounds like you have a problem on #1 with the valves since the wet to dry pressure were the same. I can't believe that it runs that smooth and has plenty of power with one dead lung! These flatheads had a problem with sticky valves. My neighbor had a 9N with a similar problem. Check the adjustment but if that's OK. Clean the valve stems up with MMO, brake cleaner, etc. My neighbor used MMO or auto transmissionfluid in his fuel (1/2 pt in a tankful.)and claims that cured his problem. Don't know if that's the real fix but I'll pass it on for whatever it's worth.
Hope this helps.

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Hobo,NC

10-18-2003 17:44:16




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 Re: Compression ? in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-18-2003 15:07:06  
Valve trouble on # 1. Check adjustment and if ok you will need valve work. its hard to tune a carb when you are draging a almost dead cylinder along for the ride. you think you got good power now. Get those numbers up on # 1, and you will be agrinning



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buck

10-18-2003 15:42:27




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 Re: Compression ? in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-18-2003 15:07:06  

I would suspect a valve in #1 that isn't quite seated. Redo compression test dry and only first stroke on all cylinders. If #1 lower than others check valves in #1



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Probably rings...John,PA

10-18-2003 15:13:48




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 Re: Compression ? in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-18-2003 15:07:06  
Probably rings on #1. I think that I would live with the situation until the rest of the cyl. need rebuilt.



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