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Ole Henry (Va)

10-21-2003 05:23:54




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This is an update to my previous post about low compression in #1 cylinder (65w/65d). Thanks to all for the feedback.

Heres what I found, number one tappet clearances are: exhaust-.014, intake-.007. Appears intake needs adjusting, FO-4 says .010 min. While there I checked #2, exhaust-.014, intake .008. This was a surprise as #2 has the highest compression (95/100) of all cylinders.

Now I've got more questions: 1 - why is the compression so good on #2 with intake .002 below specs?
2 - do I need the special wrenches called for in FO-4 to make the adjustments, or is there something else that will work?
3 - if special wrenches are needed, where do I get them?
4 - What is the cost? (hate to pay a lot as this is probably the only time I'll need them)

Thanks in advance, and again, thanks to all for the feedback to my first post.

Respectfully...John A

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OK-AL

10-21-2003 18:10:48




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 Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 05:23:54  
I purchased my wrenches directly from my local New Holland dealer. About $20. Good quality. I don't know how you could break them.

Don't be afraid to pull the head and see if you've got a stuck valve, scored cylinders or whatever. It's only about an hour's job and that includes pulling the hood.

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Jerry/MT

10-21-2003 10:16:03




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 Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 05:23:54  
Make sure your valves aren't sticking. They can be right on spec regarding the clearances but if they are sticking, they will be "out of time" with the engine and it will run ratty.Use MMO or brake cleaner or even mineral spirits to get the stems clean. Then see if your compression is up before you pull the head. My old neighbor had a similar problem with his 9N and he added a 1/2 pint of automatic transmission fluid to a tankful of gas and said that it cured the sticking valve problem. I don't know if that's true or not but I'll pass it on for whatever it is worth.

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Hobo,NC

10-21-2003 09:55:00




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 Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 05:23:54  
http://www.ytmag.com//nboard/messages/41630.html Explains were you need to go.



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Evil Steve

10-21-2003 07:51:22




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 Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 05:23:54  
David O pretty much has it pegged for you. That little out-of-tolerance adjustment is not gonna cause your low compression. Stuck/burned valve/valve seat will or of course your rings.

As for adjustment, if you have the adjustable type you an experiment with wrenches to see what'll get in there to adjust them. If not, you have to pull the head and grind the valves. May as well lap the valves too, check head and block, new head gasket.

As for the higher #2 readings, probably means that #2 rings and your valve/valve seats are in better shape. #1 sure looks like a stuck valve/bad seat. Sorry Bubba, but if I were you I'd forget making valve adjustments and pull the head to find the real cause(s).

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Ole Henry (Va)

10-21-2003 08:56:34




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 Re: Re: Compression ? update in reply to Evil Steve, 10-21-2003 07:51:22  
Thanks for the come-back. I've got the adjustable valves with the rotating tappets. Looks like that's not the problem though. Can a stuck valve be "cured" without pulling the head?

Thanks again...John A



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Evil Steve

10-21-2003 09:19:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 08:56:34  
yes, it is possible, but chances are iffy.

Try this:

(1) Pull plugs.

(2) Adjust tappits so that they have NO tolerance. You'll have to MANUALLY crank the engine around to set each tappit. In fact, disconnect your battery because at NO TIME during this little excercise do I want you using the electric start! Crank slowly and if you meet resistence or hear a valve tap against the head then back that valve off a little.

What we're after with this is to raise your valves higher than they are used to so' you can squirt MMO or Rislone down your oil gallery (the hexagonal nut on front of timing cover) and cover more of the valve. Squirt stuff liberally and let it sit a day, manually crank engine 3-4 full revolutions (i.e., TDC comp stroke #1). Squirt again, wait a day and repeat crank.

(3) Adjust tappits back to specs. Hand crank again, RECHECK tappit clearances, hand crank, recheck. Then reconnect your battery for a new comp check. Don't try to fire her up until after comp check because we're still building baseline data from your first comp check thru this little valve exercise. If improvement in comp (5 pounds is material enough) then you can either repeat above to try and free 'em up some more or try starting her.


If above doesn't work I recommend valve job.

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Hobo,NC

10-21-2003 07:26:58




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 Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 05:23:54  
Adjustment is not the problem. i would do a cylinder leakage test to determin were the leakage is. Most likley valves. make sure theirs no broken valve spring and no sticking valve. My compression was 80 to 85 psi but the cylinder leakage was 50% to 80% valves were not seating,ajustmenttools bend if the adjster is hard to turn. i would figure out a way to loosen them before I used the valve adj. tool.

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Ole Henry (Va)

10-21-2003 09:00:58




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 Re: Re: Compression ? update in reply to Hobo,NC, 10-21-2003 07:26:58  
Don't think I've got a broken spring. Beginning to sound more like a burnt valve. How do I do a leakage test? Any ideas on how to loosen the adjuster?

Thanks for the come-back...John A



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Hobo,NC

10-21-2003 09:38:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 09:00:58  
you will need a cylinder leakage tester. Do you have a auto zone neer by. they have tools that they loan out.



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Hobo,NC

10-21-2003 09:40:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Compression ? update in reply to Hobo,NC, 10-21-2003 09:38:55  
also will need a air compressor.



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David - OR

10-21-2003 06:25:09




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 Re: Compression ? update in reply to Ole Henry (Va), 10-21-2003 05:23:54  

Valve clearances are there to provide for thermal expansion -- so that the valve is never held off the seat when it is supposed to be closed (when the cam lobe is on the base circle),
regardless of engine operating temperature. The tolerance is fairly sloppy. .002 one way or the other won't make much difference.

While adjusting the clearances will not hurt, and should be done, it will not "fix" your compression issues. You have enough clearance that a cold compression check should not be affected.

If the tappet bases have been drilled, you do not need the special wrenches. You can keep the tappet from spinning with an awl or nail inserted into the drilled hole. Use an open end wrench to turn the adjuster.

The special wrenches are only a few dollars. Available from a mail order vendor specializing in these tractors.

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Ken Bryan

10-21-2003 18:05:52




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 Re: Re: Compression ? update in reply to David - OR, 10-21-2003 06:25:09  
Be very careful with the special wrenches that are made for the adjustment of the valves. If there is much resistance the tool will break in an instant. This from experience! KB



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