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ROBERT

10-24-2003 00:10:36




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CAN I USE A REAR ROTORY TILLER BEHIND MY 9N? IT DOES NOT HAVE HIGH/LOW ONLY 3 GEARS IST 2ND 3RD AND REVERSE.




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Jordan Flagstad

07-20-2005 06:44:17




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
I know my response here is not real timely, maybe it will help someone out in the future on this subject.

I have a 8N (same as a 9n in this respect) and I bought a brand new tiller (Agric 55 inch) to use behind it about 6 years ago. I soon found out that the 8N had a ground speed thatwas way too fast for the tiller.

My 8N is souped up a bit, and it still wouldn't do it. I went to the local boneyard around here and got some short squatty tires off of an industrial Massey Ferguson that fit on my 8n to lower the ground speed. The tires I got were only about 30" tall and this still didn't work, as the tractor still traveled too fast.

I ended up buying a diesel compact tractor for "Tiller Duty" (Belarus 220) and it works great. I know it's now American made, but I buy what I want to and what works for me, and I don't think you want to get me started on what I think of today's American labor force, and what I think of most unions today.

JSF
MN

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it'll work - omen

10-25-2003 19:06:58




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
we till veg. gardens, flower beds, and food plots with a 8n and 3ph pto driven roto tiller the only requirement is that you break the ground with a bottom plow or ripper that losens the earth the tiller pulverises the soil its an extra step but as fast as the 8n is it really takes no time at all. dont let'm frustrate ya all they want to do is talk politics. lol!



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Rich, NJ

10-25-2003 08:33:05




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Just thought I'd get in here for my $.02 deposit.
As some of you know,I have an original "rare and fragile" Howard Complete with the Rotovater. Wanna
see slow? Try almost three minutes to go about 135 feet in first gear at about 1500 rpm. Thats how fast the original designers of the Howard thought it should be. The nice part about about the Howard is that you don't lose your PTO speed. You get the full effect of the 1500 RPM no matter what speed your in. By the way, it doesn't say Howard any where on it. It says ROTARY HOES,ESSEX ENG. Should you ever find a tractor with a funny looking PTO lever, only on the right side of the transmission. There's still a few of them out there. If you get one, Remember the fragile part of "rare and Fragile". There is a temptation to use a Howard for pulling stumps and such. DON"T DO IT! The Howard is only to lower groundspeed for rototilling. Parts are unavailable. Howard is still in business. They are the largest maker of aggie equipment in Australia, but when I e-mailed their engineering dept, I got an answer like this," oh we used to make a transmission for Ford
tractors, Fancy that!" Regards, Rich

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TIM

10-24-2003 14:00:02




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
I like the two tractor idea,sounds a little "redneckish" but a good excuse
to have at least one more tractor. I'd like to have a tractor for each implement,never have to waste time changing them :-)

Tim



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Mike

10-25-2003 06:15:49




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 Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to TIM, 10-24-2003 14:00:02  
Tim,

Your idea sounds sound, that's how I ended up with 9 tractors and the wife with 3, you should always get the wife one for every three you get (to keep from making those constant changes :o), that way when you decide to race or have a tractor pull, she gets to ride and not walk. They do get a tad testy about the constant walking :o) And with good reasons, too!

Mike



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souNdguy

10-24-2003 10:48:24




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Like the others said.l. unless the ground is soft loam, or peat.. roto tilling without one of the howard trannies is going to be a loosing battle.

Get a tractor with a granny 1st gear..Or lotsa muscle to push it thru..Or here's a thought... run yer 9n at good pto rpm.. in neutral... use yer other tractor to drag the 1st tractor in low gear low throttle... have your wife/neighbor/kit steer the 'dead' tractor... have fun.

What? no second tractor? time to get one! everyone needs an extra tractor!

Soundguy

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Mike

10-24-2003 09:14:46




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Robert,

When this has been brought up before the responses have always been negative with one exception, one fella' claimed he had done it and it worked fine, could be his soil or someone intentionally giving false info, they think that is fun.

Anyway, as for having to buy a jap tractor to till is totally wrong, I have a 63 Ford 4000 w/SOS transmission that does a fine job in 4th on down, the same with my Ford 3415 anywhere in 1st range.

I would think Deere produces compact tractors on line with my 3415 that would do an admirable job without going off shore to buy. People who complain about the economy while they drive around in a foreign car (or tractor) make me wonder.

Mike

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9n141

10-24-2003 18:24:12




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 Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to Mike, 10-24-2003 09:14:46  
That is how I do it, 4000 with SOS, perfect comb. BURT.



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Steve(OR)

10-24-2003 14:40:33




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 Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to Mike, 10-24-2003 09:14:46  
There is so much stuff made in other countries it is impractical to say we should buy American only anymore. Cars may be designed in this country, parts made in Canada, assembled in Mexico and carry a Japanese brand name.

Anyway, if an foreign worker makes a better product than a competitor of whatever country why shouldn't his honest efforts get the business? He has to feed his family too.

Trade balances can't go just one way forever with one country selling products to another without the system ultimately breaking down. What would be the purpose of one country amassing a gigantic trade surplus by selling goods overseas if it were never willing to redeem that wealth for something from overseas? This may be one contributing factor to the demise of British mercantilism that brought about our own revolution. (Remember - raw materials from the colonies, British goods sold back the colonies with heavy taxes to fund the royal coffers?)

It may in fact be patriotic to buy overseas in order to build up economies that might otherwise be breeding grounds for anti-American terrorism.

Just my opinions.

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Duke

10-24-2003 11:04:53




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 Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to Mike, 10-24-2003 09:14:46  
Compact Deere's are Japanese tractors.



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markct

10-24-2003 09:29:50




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 Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to Mike, 10-24-2003 09:14:46  
do ya realize tho that if ya buy a deere compact then you are buying a yanmar, which is a japonese tractor anyhow? so dont rank on anyone who says to buy a japanese tractor since you just basicly told them to buy one also



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Mike

10-25-2003 06:09:16




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 Re: Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to markct, 10-24-2003 09:29:50  
Yo Market,

When you buy the jap tractor from Deere, where do the profits go? To Deere stockholders of course as a reward for their investment in the Deere Corp.

When you buy a kubota where do the profits go, to japan and that doesn't benefit any, or very few Americans. What's hard to figure out about that?

We're all aware of the international marketplace. When buying a Deere the japanese make money producing the tractor, but Americans make the profit from it's sale. Try to get past the Mfg sticker on the machine and look to who owns the company. Keep up the good work :o)

Mike

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Jake

10-27-2003 07:30:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to Mike, 10-25-2003 06:09:16  
Mike,
Thats a poor argument. The American division of Toyota is trade on NYSE. Also, Kubota is publically traded, anyone, anywhere, can own Kubota stock.



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Steve Mahler

10-24-2003 08:49:09




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Definately a no go, take it from someone who has done a lot of PTO tilling with a kubota. Sometimes I would find my middle range 1st too fast for soil, and I would be down in 2 or 3 out of 12...that is dang slow. Even when I use my middle buster with my 2n I am shocked at how fast the darn thing goes at low RPM. If I could swing a step down tranny, I would do it (but as others have said, that would lower your PTO speed for the tiller).

Either use a plow and disc as the machine is designed, or sell it and buy a japanese designed tractor intended to till.

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try this==bj/8n/mt

10-24-2003 06:37:59




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
See if the seller will let you try it before you buy it. If not get a friend with a walk behind tiller to run through the places you want to till. Run beside with your tractor in first gear at half throttle or better--you will need to turn the pto at least that fast. You will see what everybody is talking about and thereby prove to your self that this is one of the limitations of n series machines.

If your soil is really sandy--like a beach--or if all you want to do is scarify it for a seed bed might work but otherwise your money will be better spent at the rental store to rent a rear tine walk behind machine that will do what you want to do.

Your mileage may vary

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jimNCal

10-24-2003 06:32:47




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Robert,

It CAN be done but it IS a lot of trouble. I had to buy TWO aftermarket auxilliary transmissions. One for behind the regular trans to slow down the ground speed and one in front of the regular trans to change PTO speeds. It will work well but HAS limitations. Splitting one of these old N's into 3 pieces just to be able to till wasn't one of my smarter decisions. RENT.
jim



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Ron/PA

10-24-2003 05:41:30




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Robert, you can use one, but it won't do well, these N's just run too danged fast for a tiller to do it's work. I don't care how you gear the tiller, the tractor moves too fast. I've helped a few neighbors that just had to try them, and each of them ended selling at a substantial loss. The N's are a great plowing machine, but they just aren't meant for tilling. Sorry
Ron



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Jimmy

10-24-2003 04:38:00




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
I would think it would work just fine, I'm looking to buy one myself one of these days.

Jimmy



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Russ in SoCal

10-24-2003 00:56:40




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 Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to ROBERT, 10-24-2003 00:10:36  
Robert,
You COULD use it but you probably wouldn't be happy with the results. Folks (with more knowledge of it than I have) say the ground speed on the N is just too fast. Or the PTO is just too slow. Anywho, your tractor and tiller are gone before much work is done on the soil. I've got one sittin' in the yard but haven't even bought a driveshaft after readin' what folks in the know have said.
Now if someone was to invent a little 3:5 gearbox.....

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jimNCal

10-24-2003 18:06:43




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 Re: Re: rear rotory tiller in reply to Russ in SoCal, 10-24-2003 00:56:40  
Russ, What brand/type tiller do you have? Want to sell? E-mail me if interested.
jim



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