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This is what Zane needs

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rbell

10-24-2003 09:07:19




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If Zane had this license agreement, the professor would be toast.
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/10/23/2218259.shtml?tid=133&tid=155&tid=186&tid=99




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Steve W

10-24-2003 11:17:43




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 Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to rbell, 10-24-2003 09:07:19  
As a software developer, I have investigated all types of "copy protection". What our company does, is require an electronic piece of hardware be attached to your USB port, in order to make the software run. This is sad, but as a company trying to make a profit, neccesary. If everyone was able to reproduce our software, we wouldn't get any money for our time and effort. Let's face it....the only ones who are contributing to R & D are those who pay. It is their interest to be sure the product does not become public domain, or it won't be improved.

Since we sell a very niche product at a fairly high price, we can afford to enforce our copyright. The sad thing for Zane is there is no way for him to cost effectively protect his idea, other than to rely on morals. That said, I know a few neighbors who have bought Thangs, even after seeing mine, because it just wasn't worth the time and effort to scrounge materials to make there own....that may be the saving grace of this cat out of the bag.

Take care
Steve

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Jerry/MT

10-24-2003 13:53:31




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 Re: Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to Steve W, 10-24-2003 11:17:43  
There is a way for Zane to protect his ideas. It's called a patent. However, once you have a patent, there is no way to protect yourself from improvements on your patent other than to keep working on it to improve it your self and then patenting the improvements. Whose to say that the improvement on an existing patent is not the improvers creation and therefore can also be patented. If patents prevented anyone from improving an existing "reduced to practice" idea, mankind would still be rolling on stone wheels. Just as I think it is immoral for someone to take Zane's actual idea and make knock offs (It'd be illegal if he had a patent) of it for personal gain, it would be wrong for someonew who sees a way to improve an idea, be forbidden to make the improvement because he didn't create the original design. I hold three US Patents and if someone saw away to make them better, they ought to have at it.

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Mike

10-24-2003 16:42:21




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 Re: Re: Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-24-2003 13:53:31  
Jerry,

In talking with Zane one finds the cost of the patent far excedes anything he can reasonably make from the sales of either the Zane Thang or the Live Thang, that fact alone precludes getting a patent.

That's why this flamer had to have done it for spite, because some under educated (according to the professor)clown can come up with a device that the vaunted highly intelligent (again the professor's opinion) professor couldn't come up with, especially since it was so simple once you understood the tractor hydraulics.

Zane already understood that he was wide open to have someone start making copies of the Zane Thang, just as he is in the case of the Live Thang, just one of the problems of basicly helping a few people make their tractors work better than they had been designed to work. There really isn't that large a market for the Zane Thang, how many people, other than the dedicated owners you'll find on this board, really care if they are able to get the best performance from their tractors or not.

Once I heard this thief was a college professor I understood entirely why he would think nothing of stealing someone else's intelectual property, he lives in a world where it is done quite commonly, and the morals of someone doing it shows exactly that.

It still irritates ya' though.

Mike

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Steve W

10-24-2003 14:04:01




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 Re: Re: Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-24-2003 13:53:31  
I think if the wheel was patented, that you would have to buy the rights whether you wanted to make one out of stone or rubber....I think, but am not absolutely sure, that you could get a patent on the idea of making a wheel out of rubber, but the original idea of a wheel is still protected. Any patent attorneys know for sure?

Take Care
Steve



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Jerry/MT

10-25-2003 12:13:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to Steve W, 10-24-2003 14:04:01  
Can't patent the wheel and axle because it is common knowledge. You can patent new uses of the wheel and axle and new configurations of the same (axles with roller bearings, etc, etc) You can't patent a physical law, but you can patent a specific use of a physical law to develop a useful device. Position control ala the 8N method is patentable. Zane applied that principal to the 2N/9N. Do you want to say that since Zane device does the same thing (i.e. use a feedback method)that the 8N position control does, Zane shouldn't be able to apply it. I don't think so. So if somebody other than Zane wants to improve Zane's device, they should have the right to do that. this is not a Zane issue. It speaks to creativeness and ingenuity. If you want to invent for invention's sake, don't make it public.

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George Willer

10-25-2003 14:01:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-25-2003 12:13:18  
Zane did NOT make it public! That dishonorable professor did with the help of the N Newsletter.

To the contrary, he asked honorable people not to reveal the simplicity of his invention.

I have a Zane Thang. I have the capability, as many do, to manufacture them if I so choose. If I did so, I would be stealing Zane's idea. The idea is worth much more than the Zane Thang costs. When I bought mine, I figured I was buying his idea and a little bit of hardware. I paid partly for his idea which he is richly entitled to be compensated for.

Those of you who think Zane should have paid the shysters to protect his idea do not deserve to see any of the advances such effort brings us on a small scale, and richly deserve to pay the inflated prices the shysters cause. Pity!

Rinaldi is guilty of driving the getaway car the thieving professor used. I won't renew my subscription.

George Willer

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Jerry/MT

10-25-2003 21:08:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to George Willer, 10-25-2003 14:01:08  
Excuse me but Zane made it public when he advertised it for sale to public.



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INteresting...

10-24-2003 09:48:07




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 Re: This is what Zane needs in reply to rbell, 10-24-2003 09:07:19  
Seems like the CYA vision of our future...

Salmoneye, The Amazed



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