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R.M. In AL.

11-09-2003 20:22:10




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Soundguy: I noticed you listed a JD "B" as one of your tractors you have and I have always kinda wanted one of those but have never driven one.What are the good things and bad things about them and kinda compare it to a 8n as being all around good practical machine..I love to hear those things run..Thanks..R.M. In AL.




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dw

11-10-2003 09:44:24




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 Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to R.M. In AL., 11-09-2003 20:22:10  
I have owned a late styled B John Deere for over 20 years. It came from the factory with 10/38 rear tires, but I replaced them with 12.4/38 tires.(Would be the same as the old 11/38 size.) One of the nice things about the old J.D. tractors with power-trol, you can add a three point, easily, without using external cylinders. The power trol can be stopped at any point unlike the earlier power lift. The power lift was either fully up or down. I fabricated a three point, for my B, by using my 8N as a pattern. I grew up on John Deere tractors and love them. I also like Ford and almost every other kind of tractor. My $.02 worth.

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souNdguy

11-10-2003 06:02:58




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 Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to R.M. In AL., 11-09-2003 20:22:10  
I like the JD 'B'.

Ok, here is my comparison of it to an 8n.... That is, a 1950 JD 'B', to a 1952 8N.

OK, first of all.. as for the clutch, it uses a detent setup, so once you pull the clutch out (towards you), then you shift, then you push it back in.. manual says 70-90 pounds of force to do this... MY old baby only takes say..35 pounds, but stays engaged fine.. Clutch is side mounted in belt pulley cover, so is easy to adjust.

The late B's had 6 forward gears, 1 reverse... 1st gear is pretty slow... something like 1.4 mph at throttle. The older ones only had 4 gears.. I think 1st was like 2.4mph.

Mine is the narrow 2 wheeled front, trike. The rears are cast centers.. nice and heavy... though early ones could have had pressed or spoked centers.... less weight.

I didn't catch the tire size, but they are tall... easilly 5'.. which you would think would kill power.. but this doesn't seem to lack any power.

The chassie of the machine is more or less wedge shaped... with everything forward of the engine only about 16" wide.. so while sitting on it you have a freat view to the sides,like if you were using a mid body mount cultivator, and a decent view ahead. Steering is a worm gear setup, and steers very easilly... by using brakes and steering.. you can almost run in a circle, pivoting on 1 rear. In fact.. the previous owner delivered mine.. and unloaded it from his trailer only using 2 ramps... just backed the rears off till they hit the ground, then steererd hard left, and walked the front wheels down the right ramp.... was impressive to see.. I think my pucker factor would have prevented me from doing that... ( I have just recently welded up a heavy center ramp for when I haul the 'B' ).

Early models had a pan seat, the later models had the 'deluxe' seat.. which was a bottom cushion over the battery box, and arm rails and a back cushion... much like the farmalls deluxe seats.

My unit has powertroll, which is essentially a lift. As mine is equipped, the square stubs exit from a casting behind the seat( rockshaft), and there is a lever you actuate, to lift or lower. I'm not completely sure.. but I htink it is full up or full down... I just havn't played with it much.
There are no lower lift arms, or connecting arms to connect the top rock shaft to the lower arms... I'm sure these were dealer added, as needed.

Pto has a flip down cover.. which isn't bad.. but then I like the screw on one. PTO is modern 1 3/8. Like our N's.. the pto also runs the hyd pump. There are 2 hyd outlets on the rear of the tractor, and I assume by using them, you are internally defeating/ bypassing the built in powertroll, as there seems to be no seperate valving.. just the powertroll control for the hyd outputs.

Per the book, hp is similar to the 8n..perhaps a tad higher... 28.. though I can't recall if that was a flywheel rating or not.. overall, the machine 'feels' much stronger than the 8n ( in the same way/amount that an NAA does... so that may give you an idea as to power).

This unit is a single fuel ( gas ), whereas many early ones were gas start/distilate run.. ( which lowers the HP specs ). Starts easy.. real easy... open fuel petcock, crack throttle, hit the foot switch to spin the starter, and yank on the choke a bit.. usually fires up on the second hit of the starter, if not the first... 2 cyl of course.. but you new that.

Idles incredibly slow.. hard to believe..pow...pow...pow...pow.. in fact.. you can throttle it down till it dies.. but the flywheel is still spinning.. then throttle it back up.. and as long as that flywheel makes a good compression stroke, it springs to life...

Cooling is thermosyphon, and also has lever operated shutters to block the radiator to let the engine warm in cold environments.. etc.

HAs a temp gauge, ammeter, and oil pressure.
This one will hold medium pressure at low idle..( oil pressure is low, medium, high on the gauge.. not pounds. - and book states medium pressure is 'normal'.)

Of course the whole this B is way tall.. nose bleed section... longer too.. so won't fit in the same garage space as the N, and really doesn't have good ingress/egress. Mine has no fenders, so you can enter/exit from the left side, by grabbing the tire tread with your right hand, getting your foot on the square axle, and your left hand on something else.. seat rail, brake pedal.. etc.. and pull yourself up... If I had fenders... Not sure how I would get on...might have to be lowerd down with block and tackle... or go on a crash diet... Long Powertroll lever on left rear blocks entry/exit from there, and long clutch lever on right front blocks that area. Have heard you can relocate the powertroll lever to actuate it from the right side, as the shaft goes all the way through the casting, and is blanked off on that side. So then you might have a rear left entry / exit. Deffinately not a machine easy to 'bail' off in an emergency, as you'd never clear the tires.. unless you had no rear implement.. then you could springboard off the rear of the seat and hope you don't break your leg in the free-fall to the ground.

B Weight is about 4200 pounds, as equipped ( cast rear, powertrol, deluxe seat... etc.. so that gives it a pulling advantage. Manual claims nearly 4000lbs pull capacity ( was high 3.8k or something?)
Has a factory swinging drawbar.

One other thing... everything you are working on, you are either looking up, or on a stepladder.. unlike the N.. where you are bent over.. etc.

That's about all I can tell you for right now.

Soundguy

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R.M. In AL.

11-10-2003 19:58:02




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 Re: Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to souNdguy, 11-10-2003 06:02:58  
Thanks Soundguy thats great info..I learned a lot I did'nt know about the "B".What do you know about the JD "60" as compaired to the N,s..Thanks again...R.M. In AL.



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souNdguy

11-11-2003 05:19:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to R.M. In AL., 11-10-2003 19:58:02  
I know Abso-smurf-ly nuttin.... about hte model 60.. though I almost bought a model 40 about a year ago... looked real nice.

I do have a couple of pics of a JD 60 though. The guy I bought my 'B' from in tampa also has a 60 for sale, as well as an 'A', a 320, a 30, and a farmall 300 I think. If you want the pics I have I'll email them to ya.. just let me know.

My experience with JD is limited to my stepfathers 2240, my 'B'.. and the various pieces of JD heavy equipment I'm around at work ( loaders, dozers, road-graders, etc. ).

Soundguy

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Jeb2N

11-10-2003 03:27:52




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 Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to R.M. In AL., 11-09-2003 20:22:10  
I'd love to have an old unstyled B or A, or even a Farmall F-series...The only thing that i am concerned about is having to shift gears with the left hand while holding back the hand clutch with the right hand...steer with your feet? Teeth? I always wanted to see the little "dance" the person had to do at the end of the row to try and turn, work the clutch, change gears, and reach behind to raise the manual lift implement out of the ground. Let the acrobatics ensue! Thank you Mr. Ferguson!

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souNdguy

11-10-2003 12:40:51




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 Re: Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to Jeb2N, 11-10-2003 03:27:52  
Not to worry on two of those counts.. as the clutch is a pull out.. and push in... no pressure needed to hold it out.. just pull ot get it out.. then it is static.. then push to get it back in.. etc.

As for steering.. remember it is direct worm gear... You move the wheel, worm turns, steering gear rotates, wheels turn.. doesn't work in reverse to well... tire hits a rock, starts to turn a bit, steering gear takes up any free backlash against the worm.. then that is it...worm isn't influenced to turn.. everything just gets tight... so as long as you are headed straight.. and let go of the wheel.. it will more or less go straight.. depending in the amount of play in the worm/steering gear area.

However I wouldn't want to be shifting, and turning at the same time... lots hand work there.. brakes too.. even powertroll if you are lifting an implement.
Might look like a kung-fu movie.. or the stop action stuff in the matrix.

Also.. to add to my previous post... this machine is sopposed to be a 2- 14" bottom plow machine...more or less like our 8n's.. etc. Guess that draft controll of the N gives it an advantage... does more with less engine and weight..


Soundguy

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Jeb2N

11-10-2003 14:47:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to souNdguy, 11-10-2003 12:40:51  
So the hand clutch is indexed or otherwise fixed in the full "engaged" or "dis-engaged" position? That would definately make it easier. I always thought that it was spring loaded like the foot clutch pedals are. I'm assuming that it must work on an over-center lever principal because you have to fight the clutch springs in order to keep the clutch disengaged.



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souNdguy

11-10-2003 15:50:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Soundguy in reply to Jeb2N, 11-10-2003 14:47:22  
Yes, Though I havn't my clutch apart. .there must be a spring detent or some other 'break-over divider.. because as soon as it is engaged.. its there.. you canlet go of it.. same as when disengaged.. just let go..

Soundguy



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