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Ron

01-22-2001 09:33:30




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What is the method of testing the charging circuit for a 6 volt 9N. When I put a DMM on the battery, it flashes. Shouldn't it read something above 6 volts?

How can I tell if my generator and charging circuit is working. I don't see anything on th amp meter, and when running th etractor with the lights on it starts to run bad until I turn the lights off, it also won't start the next time I try to start it.

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STUMP PULLER

01-22-2001 18:31:40




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 Re: 9N Battery Charging in reply to Ron, 01-22-2001 09:33:30  
YOU SHOULD AIM FOR 7.35 V FOR GOOD CHARGING. SOME DIGITALS WILL JUMP AROUND. A 4.7K RESISTOR AND A .O1 CAPACITOR WILL FILTER OUT SOME NOISE. GOOD LUCK



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Jim WI

01-23-2001 10:44:03




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 Re: Re: 9N Battery Charging in reply to STUMP PULLER, 01-22-2001 18:31:40  
Since the 9N doesn't have a voltage regulator, one needs to adjust the charge current not the voltage.

The number generally recommended is about 3 to 4 amps into the battery. This charge curent will freshen a battery that's been used to start without overcharging it too much (although this is also the reason why the batteries in these tractors don't last as long as you might expect).

If there are lights on the tractor, you might consider always using them and adjusting the generator with the lights on. Otherwise, the battery will be drained when the lights are on. Of course, if you run with the lights off, the battery is then subject to overcharging.

There's also an aftermarket regulator that you can buy that replaces the cutout. If you have lights, this might be the better course of action.

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Jim WI

01-22-2001 10:47:21




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 Re: 9N Battery Charging in reply to Ron, 01-22-2001 09:33:30  
Have heard this problem before - the noise from the generator causes the DMM to read strangely. An analog meter will ignore the noise and work correctly.

On to troubleshooting:

First off, the OEM 9N charging system doesn't have a voltage regulator, just a cutout relay. The generator has an adjustment screw on the back to control the charge rate. One of the drawbacks of this system is that if you set the charge rate with the lights off, the battery will be discharged if you use the lights. If you set the charge rate with the lights on, the battery will be overcharged if you turn the lights off (not good for battery life).

To figure out what's going on, first check the voltage at the battery with the tractor off. Then compare it to the battery voltage with the tractor on (it should be about a volt higher). If the system passes this test, your ammeter may be wired wrong -- you should check that out before trying to adjust the charge rate.

If the battery voltage doesn't increase when the tractor is running, the cutout or generator is bad or miswired. To check this you can jump around the cutout and see if the battery voltage increases. If it doesn't, the generator isn't working. If it does, either the generator was depolarized or the cutout is bad. If the generator was depolarized, it is now fixed. To tell the difference, remove the wire and see if the charging system now behaves normally (turn the tractor off and restart to see if the generator charges without the wire). If the charging system won't charge without the wire, the cutout is either wired wrong or it is bad.

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norm-wy

01-22-2001 09:50:08




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 Re: 9N Battery Charging in reply to Ron, 01-22-2001 09:33:30  
Ron
First of all, if turning your lights on affects how your N runs, the battery is discharged as evidenced also by the fact that it won't start the next time and this means there is trouble with your charging circuit some place. Be sure your DMM is on the DC scale and measure across the battery terminals with the tractor running. The battery should be "stiff" enough to filter out some of that noise you are presently seeing. Try this and then post back with results. HTH

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Ron

01-22-2001 09:55:38




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 Re: Re: 9N Battery Charging in reply to norm-wy, 01-22-2001 09:50:08  
Norm,

The meter was on DC scale 20 volts. I was reading across the battery while the tractor was running. It looks like it charges and then stops and then charges and then stops, very quickley.

What should the reading be? I would assume 7-8 volts?

Is there any ohms test on the generator. The guy I bought this tractor from said he had the generator rebuilt, and it looks to have a fairly new voltage regulator on it. I hope something is not miss wired. I do have a manual which shows a schamatic, but I have not traced out the wiring yet.

Thanks for any advice.....

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A Few Hints until the Experts Respond

01-22-2001 10:16:23




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 Re: Re: Re: 9N Battery Charging in reply to Ron, 01-22-2001 09:55:38  
Ron,
A gross verification - The voltage on the battery should be approx a volt higher with the tractor running than with the tractor off, if the charging circuit is working. ( The important thing is that the voltage increases, not the exact measurement). Also, the polarity of the leads on the DMM is important - the black lead goes to the NEG terminal, the red lead to the POS. After that, visit the link below for detailed troubleshooting advice from the real expert.

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