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Old George

01-23-2001 17:21:27




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I have been trying to keep track of what you guys tell me, learning all the time. Not my cup of tea but I don't care if someone paints their tractor yellow and green(yech) or Vikings purple. But I would like to do what I can within reason to make this one look like it did from the factory. I'm told the wire conduit, fuel tank, and steering wheel nut/washer, along with the rear lugs, hose clamps, and air cleaner clamps were originally cad plated. So those are parts I can attempt to make look cad plated. What a pain to paint the conduit separate and have to take the head back off. I know, I could probably mask it and I would be the only one to know. I understand the fuel line was unpainted, but see or hear no mention of the oil lines and fittings.
Please help me over this "illness" and tell me, originally painted or unpainted so I can continue this bizare desire to make a 50+ year old machine look like day one. As always, thanks in advance.
Alan Esch
45 2N kit 183513

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Larry 8N75381

01-24-2001 10:06:50




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 Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Old George, 01-23-2001 17:21:27  
Alan,

Sounds like you should buy the book;
Originality Guide Ford N Series Tractors
by Beemer and Peterson
ISBN 0-7603-0289-8

It has starting on page 46, a COMPLETE color scheme breakdown. It is essentially one full, two column, page, when you discount the pictures that share the pages. Major headings are; Engine, Transmission, Differential, Front axle assembly, Wheels and rims, Sheet metal.

The FNSAA will meet here again, same time same station. :-)

Regards,
Larry

ps Ford N Series Addicts Anonymous = FNSAA

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Old George

01-26-2001 17:35:23




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 Re: Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Larry 8N75381, 01-24-2001 10:06:50  
Larry, does your original '46 Ford parts book list finishes like the reprint '39-'53 MPC? If so, that should be a reliable place to look. My reprint is not complete enough. Thanks!

FNSAA should organize and adopt an official beer or something.



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Gaspump

01-24-2001 14:55:40




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 Re: Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Larry 8N75381, 01-24-2001 10:06:50  
I have it and wish I had saved my money. It is a cookie cutter Motorbooks release without a whole lot of thought or research backing it up. Poorly writen and short on original photos. The Publishers should contact Farmall/International book writer Guy Fay or someone who writes the better Deere books and maybe someone could write and release a book that would do justice to the Ford Tractor line. I have purchased no other Motorbooks after that thing came out and most likely will not in the future. FWIW

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Gaspump

01-24-2001 08:10:41




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 Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Old George, 01-23-2001 17:21:27  
From my recollection at the Ford Tractor assembly.
The tractors were painted engine with oil lines and filter attached, starter attached, drag links installed, radius arms loose at the rear so as to paint inboard side, radiator off as well as all sheet metal except tool box, manifold & carb installed, dist and wiring not installed, (I don't remember front mounts but likely the same), seat and spring not attached. Also, some small parts were painted loosely, hence the out of the box black radiator with the red shroud as on the 8N. Sorry about the wire tube but memory stops short of that. Also remember that N's were built at different locations over a span of model changes not to mention changes in administration, differing shifts, a multitude of suppliers and changes in the distribution chain. If you were not confused I'm sure I am helping you along. My personal bet would be that early 9's had cad tubes and the rest were painted.

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Old George

01-24-2001 17:03:39




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 Re: Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Gaspump, 01-24-2001 08:10:41  
Thank you all for your resposnses. I actually do have a copy of the "originality guide" and while I enjoyed it, much uncertainty remains. It does not cover precisely the items we are discussing. Am I understanding you correctly Gaspump that differences may be present in the same model due to time/place of manufacture and availability of parts etc. That might explain why 9N'ers picture shows the oil filter and lines unattached when you remember them to be on at that point. He also said the wire tube was not on then, though common sense would indicate it be in place before the head is bolted on. I imagine it is possible they came off the line both ways. Yes, I am confused more, but maybe Claus is right, "what me worry", at least it won't be black and orange:-) I am going to go have a few beers! Maybe I'll call Don B and ask him what the plans call for. I understand he has a copy of them. Thanks again to all of you!
Alan Esch
45 2N kit 183513

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Gaspump

01-24-2001 18:02:25




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 Re: Re: Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Old George, 01-24-2001 17:03:39  
Right on Old George! The "What Me Worry" is the best approach, Your way is as at least as good as the next guy's.



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9N'er

01-24-2001 02:59:02




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 Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Old George, 01-23-2001 17:21:27  
I'm with you Old George trying to determine these kinds of things. There is a photo of a 2N tractor being painted in the Ford paint facility at the Rouge (page 128 'Ford Farm Tractors').

Perhaps, by the time 1942 arrived painting parts was modified, but, we can make an assumption that the process was similar for the 9N.

The painter is spraying an entire engine, transmission and rear housing unit. Attached to the engine is the generator with belt, radiator housing, and radiator with hoses and clamps, carburator, manifold, and exhaust pipe/muffler, front spindles and hubs, all steering arms with grease fittings, throttle control quadrant and throttle control, and the spring to the seat (but no seat). It appears the distributor assembly is masked off. There is overspray on the radiator shroud and of course the generator belt.

Your wire conduit is not installed at this point.

I can't see the oil lines, but from what is there, the gauges and oil lines are missing. Of course, the fuel line is not installed at this time.

On page 126 is a new 1939 9N in operation. The tool box bolts are cadmium, and the oil lines appear to be cadmium plated.

Good luck, and if you stumble on some interesting nformation, share it...it's fun to learn these thngs. 9N'er

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JimNC

01-23-2001 18:32:28




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 Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Old George, 01-23-2001 17:21:27  
This came from the Tractor Resource page. I read it as "engine long block Red" I would think the oil lines are already hooked up at this point. How do you read it?

The center housing, axle housings, transmission housing, steering gear housing, engine long block and various front axle components are assembled. The main assembly is then painted as one unit.

The radiator and seat assemblies (black), are attached to the main assembly (red), thus the radiator and seat assembly mounting hardware is unpainted or cadmium plated.

The rear wheel centers, fenders, hood, grill, and other sheet metal components (gray), are attached to the main assembly (red), thus the rear wheel lug nuts and sheet metal mounting hardware is unpainted or cadmium plated.

The steering wheel is attached to the main assembly after the application of the color coats, thus the steering wheel "acorn" nut is unpainted or cadmium plated.

Hope this helps
Jim

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Old George

01-23-2001 19:03:10




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 Re: Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to JimNC, 01-23-2001 18:32:28  
Jim, thanks, I read that and even though it is for the 8N's I think it applies.

The center housing, axle housings, transmission housing, steering gear housing, engine long block and various front axle components are assembled. The main assembly is then painted as one unit.

That would then mean all I have read and heard about the wire conduit being cadmium plated is "bunk". It is rather frustrating, almost enough to make me drink:-)

I thought maybe the oil filter and lines were installed after the main assembly was painted. But that still would not explain how the wire conduit ended up being cadmium plated as it is attached to the head studs. Give me some asprin!

Alan Esch
45 2N kit with an identity crisis:-)

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Claus

01-24-2001 02:56:38




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 Re: Re: Re: ?For the originality gurus in reply to Old George, 01-23-2001 19:03:10  
I see a lot of tractors with wires, dist cap, and the like painted red...Not to mention the red grease that is oozing out of the tie rod ends. Tires with a 1 inch grey or so close to the rim... These people have the right idea, as Alfred E. Neuman's famous quote "What Me Worry?" Perhaps you need to have that drink, as a matter of fact have a few, and this might cure your problem. (Grin)
Happy Painting
Claus

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