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PETE

12-07-2003 05:18:53




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I RECENTLY GOT A 52 8N FROM MY GRANPA. WHEN I FIRST GOT THE TRACTOR IT WAS IN SAD SHAPE, HAD SET FOR YEARS. SPENT A LITTLE TIME AND MONEY AND HAD EVERY THING WORKING PREATY GOOD FOR A 50+ YR OLD TRACTOR. IT STILL HAS 6V SYSTEM AND STARTED VERY EASY DURING THE SUMMER WHEN I GOT IT BUT NOW DEC IS HERE AND IT TAKES A GOOD BIT TO GET IT TO START. THE ENGINE WAS REBUILT JUST BEFORE HE QUIT USING IT AND I REPLACED CARB W/A REMAN. WHEN I CHANGED OIL AND FILTER I USED 15 W 40 OIL IN ENGINE AND 90 WT IN TRANS. NOW THAT ITS COLD ENGINE CRANKS VERY SLOW AND TRANS/HYDRAULICS ARE VERY STIFF AND SLUGGISH, WHAT DO I DO? I KNOW I NEED THINNER OIL TO HELP ENGINE TURN OVER BUT WHAT ABOUT TRANS/HYDRAULICS?

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Richard

12-07-2003 08:05:16




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 Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:18:53  
Hi Pete-Try using a oil called Hy-Tran in that gear box and hydraulic system.Ford sells it as well as Tractor Supply stores.It is light weight and is recomended for todays tractors, but my local Ford tractor dealer says they use it in the older tractors they service as well and it causes no problems.I use 15/40 Rotella in my Ford 9N and it starts here year around and runs real well. Yesterday I replaced the battery which I put in 8 yrs. ago.

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Barry

12-07-2003 07:03:28




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 Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:18:53  
I don't know how often you use the tractor but I would recommend keeping the battery in a heated space while not used. This keeps it from swelling and maybe bursting and also makes for quicker starts.



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bj/8n/mt

12-07-2003 06:00:37




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 Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:18:53  
You don't say how cold it gets in your yard but here in the Montana banana belt 10/30 in the crank case, 90wt in the three point with a dip stick heater in the three point gets my six volt n series going all winter. All I try to remember is when there is snow forecast I plug in the dip stick heater. Don't know if it would go without that but sure makes the hydralics useable a lot sooner.

Your mileage may vary

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stumpy

12-07-2003 05:50:25




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 Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:18:53  
Hey Pete, That there is a pretty heavy duty oil your running. Haven't heard of using 15w-40 in the N series before. We use it in heavy duty deisel engines, though. Might want to give 10w-40 a try. I am using it with mixed results. Should have my starter back tomorrow. I been studying at the college o Dell, six volt systems need to be clean, brite and tight. I gained a whole bunch of crank speed with the proper cables and low resistance in starting circuit. Try a lighter oil and shine your cables.

Stumpy, six volts for ALL the right reasons(proud of me Dell?)

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Stick

12-07-2003 10:24:56




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 Re: Re: SLUG 8N in reply to stumpy, 12-07-2003 05:50:25  
I have 0W40 synthetic oil in my 9N (Clyde)for winter. He has a lower rad hose heater and starts at the first brush of the starter button, to well below -40°. I have the lighter 134D oil in the trans, diff and hyd as well, as I found 90W to take forever to warm up. It gets COLD up here, and the old N is my snowblower, so he has to start in any weather. He was already 12V when I got him, all I did was put heavier cables on, as the previous owner had used 6 gauge car cables. I ran 1/0 welding cable. Never had a problem yet. I also leave the PTO disengaged when starting and hold the clutch disengaged until it'll run without choke, then engage slowly and let the trans warm up for a few minutes before ever trying to lift the blower or move the tractor. I've never found a dipstick heater, for some reason they were never popular up here.

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Gaspump

12-07-2003 05:25:07




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 Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:18:53  
Hold the clutch pedal down until the engine is being cranked and warming up to take the stiff transmission and hydraulics out of the picture. Also suggest keeping PTO and hydraulic pump disengaged till needed or at least fully warmed up.



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PETE

12-07-2003 05:39:31




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 Re: Re: SLUG 8N in reply to Gaspump, 12-07-2003 05:25:07  
THANKS GASPUMP I APPRECIATE THE RESPONCE



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raytasch

12-07-2003 08:14:53




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 Re: Re: Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:39:31  
Gaspump gave you good advice.
ray



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Jim Ct

12-07-2003 07:32:12




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 Re: Re: Re: SLUG 8N in reply to PETE , 12-07-2003 05:39:31  
Not wanting to start the great 6 vs 12 debate but this is why some people switch to a 12 volt system.The advice of bringing in the batery andkeeping a trickle charger on it is excellent.These machines dont need much to crank them but a fully charged battery is a plus in the cold weather.as stated you can expect sluggish hydrloics too till the engine and tranny are warmed up a bit.A full charge and proerely tuned up she'll pop off for you.

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Ed S. (IL)

12-08-2003 09:36:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SLUG 8N in reply to Jim Ct, 12-07-2003 07:32:12  
I'm with Dell on the 6 vs. 12 debate - if'n you're gonna do it, do it for the right reasons - NOT to cover up some other problem!

My 6v '50 8N usually starts on the second turn in the warm weather, and about the third in cold (and it rarely gets used in the cold!). I had to do some engine tuning, rewiring and cleaning of connections to get to this point, tho.

My '64 VW Beetle (6v) never gave me a problem after rewiring and making sure everything was "clean, bright and tight." Even the headlights were bright!

Finally, I just bought a 1951 International L-170 grain truck with 'vintage' 6v wiring... Once I change out the puny battery cables (somebody put cables for a 12v system on it) replace brittle wiring and clean up the connections, she'll work just fine.

es

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souNdguy

12-07-2003 11:02:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SLUG 8N in reply to Jim Ct, 12-07-2003 07:32:12  
Might be a candidate for a solar trickle charger. I don't get to use all my tractors often as I want.. and the solar trickle chargers are great for keepin gthe battery up. Not that it gets much colder than the 20's here in hard winter.. but that little bit of current keeps the battery a bit more motivated.

Soundguy



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