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There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two

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Rich, NJ

12-13-2003 06:05:21




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My apologies to 8N owners everywhere! This was not the intended reaction! I have the 8N with the FEL and the "Howard" and I'm not putting a "for sale" sign on her just yet. But it is hard to start when it's cold (6V orig.). In warm weather. it starts fine. Traction was never one it's strong points (FEL?) Someone gave me the little Allis B. It was in sad, but not terminal condition when I got it. I had owned the tractor before in 1980 and had never explored what it could do. It is a 1938 that comes with a crank. It took six pulls on the "armstrong" starter ( three with the choke closed) and she fired. I had hoped to use the Ford for snow removal and retire my Wheel Horse model 636 as after 24 years, it's getting tired. The Ford seemed a perfect choice. Until I actually tried it. I don't have chains for this machine, so I don't know if they would have helped. The Ford's strength is in other areas. It was indispensible to me in the summer with some projects. As I said, the little AC went through drifts that were over the wheels without a hint of slippage. It climbed steep drifts and banks like a mountain goat, But as someone pointed out, What would it have done with a loader on it? Offsetting the weight and balance configuration.
Now, I'll probably recieve a lot of suggetions on how to tune the Ford so it will start properly in
winter. I'd welcome them, But remember the compression's low and it tends to backfire under a load now and then. But still it starts good in summer. Please forgive any mistakes made during this writing, I had a stroke in Sept. and typing is very hard. It's coming back to me slowly. Regards, Rich

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Doug Cox (Rooster)

12-14-2003 05:18:45




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
You want to feel Thrashed.
Try being the only ford 8n lover in the tractor club I,m in.
Most of the them are green or red lovers.
Thats ok. They don,t say much when my wife out pulls them on
our red belly. Ican,t pull with it I weigh to much
macks it go in to high a class. so don,t let it bother you . Red belly power



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Dean in Minnesota

12-13-2003 09:09:54




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
I think that the 8N Ford was either a love them or hate them affair. It was my dads favorite tractor that was used for hauling manure and pulling a 7 foot sicle mower. However I think that it was one of the most over rated tractors to work on the American Farm with the Allis WD45 being 2nd. The 8N Ford was cold blooded and didn't like to start below about 30 degrees even with the battery charger hooked up so it turned easy. And I think it consumed about the same number of gallons in gas that a 4010 John Deere did in diesel and for producing work it does not even make for a good joke compared to the John Deere, I think the same can be said for the Allis WD45.

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Rlach

12-13-2003 10:51:04




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 Re: Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Dean in Minnesota, 12-13-2003 09:09:54  
Comparing a JD 4010 Diesel with a 8N ??? From Nebraska "objective" tractor tests :
I would compare a JD 1010 gas with a 8N :
8N 1950= 11.14 HP-hour/gallon(test 443)
JD 1010 gas = 10.33 HP-hour/gallon(test 802)
By the way, as i reported in another post a few weeks ago, i did start/run (circa 1980) the 8N(12 V system) at -40 °F, using 0W30 synthetic oil in the crankcase without any heater. I am sure that all good mechanical condition 9N/2N/8N, 12 volt system, with the right bendix, 0W30 sysnthetic oil, can starts/runs at -40 °F. Of course it applies to the majority of good condition gas engine.
Rlach

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Rlach

12-13-2003 08:42:12




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
I am a "Ford man" born in a "Ford family". I remember the old 9N 1940 and still own and use a 8N 1952(since 1952) which is still working 100 hrs each summer; it is "sentimental". These wonderful machines have to be in good shape for easy starting; if the engine is worn, you have to switch to 12 V(like i did) for relatively easy starting or repair your N engine if you prefer 6 V. Many N had a wrong OEM bendix. Refer to "Just Installed Clutch Type Starter Bendix" a few days ago for more details. If the bendix in your 8N(1952 ?)is original, it could be the problem. There is not any perfect tractor in the world; if you compare a Cockshutt 30(12x38 tires) and a Oliver 550(13.8x26), the 550 is above the 30 but not for every job, just think about the tire size, believe me it makes big differences in certain conditions. The 8N is strong for some jobs and weak for others. Speaking of comparisons, Jubilee vs 8N : Jubilee wins in all aspects, but i still prefer my 8N, you know ... this is sentimental and subjective.
Rlach

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Hey Rich...John,PA

12-13-2003 08:23:35




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
Happy Holidays. Keep up with your typing exercises.

We used my 9N for push'n snow back at the airport for as long as I can remember. 60ft x 3500 ft. worth. Never had a problem with the tractor or plow'n technique. We did, however, have a 55 gal drum full of water sitt'n on the back of the tractor. Trick was to get to plow'n when the first 6 in. of snow fell. Sometimes that meant stay'n up all night so the accumulation of snow didn't git ahead of us. That is when it is just YOU and your TRACTOR. Sorta like Lindbergh. After awhile you can hear each explosion in its respective cylinder.

By the way, my dad found a surplus military snow plow for on the front of the 9N. I guess that during WWII, the FORDS were popular around airbases.

Anyhow, take it easy and ENJOY.

John, PA. gayleu@aol.com

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Kens640

12-13-2003 08:06:14




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
Well Rich , as you see , we can only control what we ourselves say on here . There's always going to be those people without consideration or knowledge of the others guys handicaps . These boards were designed to help one another , not to bluntly cut him up or degrade him .If you're pleased with your N, so be it .I have an N & a 640 that satisfy my needs & I'm proud of ; nobody will take that pleasure from me . My health turned sour on me also , so I sense some of your feelings. Take care of yourself . Ken

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CJ in Michigan

12-13-2003 07:14:21




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
About your cold start problem-you said in your post that your compression was low.
That's it right there.
last winter I had problems also in the cold and would have to use a charger to get it to fire up. I rebuilt the motor this fall and now it starts right up in the cold, even after leaving it idle for a week, and it is still the 6 volt system too.. As for traction,I use mine to clear snow with a front mounted plow and have chains on the back as well and I swear I could climb a tree with the thing!
I'll post a picture when I can figure out how.
Glad you are recovering and your typing looks fine to me!

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Rusty

12-13-2003 16:35:08




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 Re: Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to CJ in Michigan, 12-13-2003 07:14:21  
Funny you mention climbing a tree. A truck driver that sold me an 8 N swears his father in law hit a tree on the tractor. Said it went right up the tree. He hit the clutch just before flipping.



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Ron/PA

12-13-2003 06:33:16




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
Hey Rich, How's it comming along? Sure hope the progress is continuing.
Don't worry about trashing any brand, Nobody has thought less of these little gray than I have and we have 2. There is no machine that is more consistant than our N's. The consistantly work like new, right up until the day you REALLY need to use it, then it will consistantly screw up. When I think of trashing, I think of the times I've sighted down a ball peen hammer at the hood of our N's!!!!!
That FEL don't help a bit, all that weight leveraged on the front, No chains is another drawback, and if yer gonna have a FEL, then I think rear weights or filled tires are a must for snow removal. I work the other way, I park the Super A for the winter and grab one of the other tractors for working, my 8n is mostly snow plow come winter. Course the SA is the wife's private lawn mower soooo I'm really not supposed to touch it unless it's broke, or needs fuel, or service!!
Have fun buddy, hope you have a great christmas and continued progress. Later
Ron

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Salmoneye

12-13-2003 06:14:13




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
Nope...

8N's have no place in snow country...

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No sir...Can't push snow at all..

LOL ;-)



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Bryan in WI

12-13-2003 06:12:30




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 Re: There (They're) trashing 8N s Part two in reply to Rich, NJ, 12-13-2003 06:05:21  
Hi Rich, I think that, as you say, it is just the condition of your particular tractor that makes it hard to start in the cold, not the overall design. I just started my 8N this morning, and it is -5F; no problem (brag brag), although I have to use about 1/3 choke when it is cold, and it takes about 3 cranks to fire. Mine is still 6V also, so it isn't the design of the machine, just the way yours is that makes it hard to start. Stick a magnetic block heater on it! Make sure all your electrical contacts are tight, get big battery cables, check your battery condition.

Bryan

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