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Rick

12-18-2003 20:14:57




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Hello All,
I am getting ready to replace a Blown Head gasket on a 8N, This tractor did not get hot when it blew the head gasket, but rather sat for over 10 years. I got it running and then noticed white smoke pouring out of the exhaust after about 20 minutes, so I think the Head gasket is blown because the oil is milky Etc.
My real question is, Should I have the head milled or should it be O.K without.
Thanks in advance,
Rick

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Why is it?

12-19-2003 10:24:03




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 Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Rick, 12-18-2003 20:14:57  
Why is it we have to torque the bolts in a "set way" so the head is "smashed" down from the in side out But if it is warped we just HAVE TO mill it so it set down right. I never understood this on these. If you can't pull it flat with 70-80 lbs. then why torque in a "set way". Just my 2 cents. Hey, "mill the thing" if you can't sleep any other way and while your at it "blue print" the thing its your money.

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Evil Steve

12-19-2003 10:33:07




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 Re: Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Why is it?, 12-19-2003 10:24:03  
Anonymous-

Torqueing in sequence, as you 'gain say, draws the head down in a way that best flatens the head evenly and best assures that you won't CRACK the head.

A flathead head will, in fact, bend a small amount IF you torque it down properly. BTW, never go straight for maximum torque on each bolt even IN proper sequence. Start each at about 50% of specified torque (in sequence), then 75%, then 100% and do the 100% a second time for uniformity.

Realize that over 50+ years, the head may have been milled already. You can only mill so much off and will result in topping out the valves against the head if too much is milled.

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Evil Steve

12-19-2003 08:39:11




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 Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Rick, 12-18-2003 20:14:57  
Rick-

All comments below are good ones. What I'd do is pull the head off, check for warpage (a few thousands deflection is NOT enough to need milling the head), check for cracks in the head and in block, check head bolt/thread condition, look for evidence of burning between cylinders which would indicate blown gasket.

When you reinstall with a new gasket, realize that you will need to retorque (in proper sequence) the head bolts after just a few hours.

BTW, while the head is off I recommend doing the following also:

1) Check cylinder and piston wear/scoring.
2) Check valve lash (yes, I know it has nothing to do with head removal, but it sure helps being able to see the piston at TDC when checking lash)
3) Since you have an 8N, your flywheel will probably have a marked flywheel (you can see it thru the littlr teardropped shaped cover on right side of clutch housing). Good time to chexk static timing and to mark the TDC and 4% BTDC point on the flywheel for easy future reference.

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souNdguy

12-19-2003 06:25:57




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 Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Rick, 12-18-2003 20:14:57  
I agree with pitch... Head is thin and has alotta bolts / studs holding it down. Perhaps, if you do change the gasket.. try a thick fiber one...
That would more than make ou for a few thousandths variation IF there were any.

Also.. before you got it going.. did you change the oil, and was it milky then?
Might just be residual water in the system.. unless, as stated before.. it is bubbling in the radiator, or you already chaged the oil, and it is milky again.. etc.

Soundguy

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Fast Ed Ohio

12-18-2003 22:59:03




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 Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Rick, 12-18-2003 20:14:57  
First of all I would change that milky oil along with a new filter , you might have to much water in the oil after 10 years of non use , moisture builds up , not uncommon, white smoke could go away, dont know, . If you feel like pulling the head your local machine shop can tell you if the head is warped . Its your tractor, plus time and money involved



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XRAY VISION??

12-18-2003 20:49:52




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 Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Rick, 12-18-2003 20:14:57  
Tell more about the head.... what condition is it in? Is it flat now... If you don't know, how would someone else, Rick? (I can't pick the lottery numbers either..... ....) duey



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Rick

12-18-2003 21:03:40




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 Re: Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to XRAY VISION??, 12-18-2003 20:49:52  
XRay,
I do not know the condition of the Head. I just got it running after sitting about 10 years (it did not get Hot, I do know this ) I was going to take the head off this Weekend and have a look. I heard that in order to Warp the Head it would probably have to get Hot. I figured the old metal gasket probably just rusted out somehow?????
Thanks,
Rick,



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Pitch

12-19-2003 03:14:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Rick, 12-18-2003 21:03:40  
To determine a blown head gasket do a compression test. Two adjacent cylinders will be low. Gas bubbles in the radiater is also a sign. I recommend against milling the head. there isn't much clearance to begin with. Proper tourqing should flatten out the thin one inch head.



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Dell (WA)

12-19-2003 08:58:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Head Gaskey replacement in reply to Pitch, 12-19-2003 03:14:10  
8N headbolts torque to 70 ft/lbs in 3-step sequence
8N studnuts torque to 55 ft/lbs in 3-step sequence
re-torque after 15-30 mins of running..... ..Dell



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