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Phil B.

12-19-2003 23:19:48




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I have a 48 8n parts tractor with all the parts but it hasn't been run in 18 yrs. I want to take the tranny and hydraulics out of the 8n and put them in my 42 9n. Are there any problems that I should be aware of in doing this swap? It looks like the steering box will have to come along in the swap but I'm not sure.

Also, has anyone swapped out the hydraulics out of a 8n into an 9n. I've read this is possible but not sure if it is a direct drop in or if modifications will be necessary.

I'm considering these mods for the four speed and draft control for my 9n.

Thanks for any input.

Phil B.

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KCM

12-20-2003 19:17:57




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
Respectfully, by the time you swap everything out from the 8N (tranny, steering, improved 8N brake system), you will have ended up where you started, with an 8N. The only thing left from the 9N would be the engine and front axle. I believe the hood rear bolt pattern of the 9N/2N is also different from the 8N, so you would end up with the 8N hood as well. Best to get the 8N running, replacing/rebuilding the engine as necessary if that is the problem.

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Dave Todd

12-20-2003 14:17:24




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
Phil, I bought a 51 8N for parts, but it was so complete I hated to part it. I decided to see if I could bring it to life, and I did. New Points, plugs, wires, a carb, and battery and cables. She runs good, but smokes bad. I paid $500.00 for the tractor and have less than $1000.00 in it, and use it all the time. Yes I need to rebuild it, and will someday. Try bringing the 8N to life, then you'll have two tractors for little money.
Good luck!!!
Dave

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BOB

12-20-2003 09:28:59




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
Phil,here it is all in one deal!
1-the pump and top cover from 8n will drop in your 9n housing and there is more
2-as for trans houseing from the 8n you will have to take the whole trans housing and steering post and the dash to put on your 9n this is real simple bolt on stuff. when you change over do not seperate the steering post keep it on trans housing no need to remove.
3-the only holes you will have to drill is the hood for the dash to bolt on,they changed that bolt pattern

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FORGOT BRAKES

12-20-2003 09:32:29




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 Re: Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to BOB, 12-20-2003 09:28:59  
You can keep your 2n brakes or change that out to in the process BOB



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Rusty

12-20-2003 06:01:13




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
The 9N motor will fit on the 8N no problem. I have a tractor with a 9N motor. Everything else is 8n. The Draft and position control work good. Your 8N has not been run in years. The controls may not even work. You do not want to try to put an 8N pump in a 9N center housing. Save yourself a bunch of trouble and talk to Zane.



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Duner Wi

12-20-2003 05:55:02




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
I have a 8N differential housing on my 9N , all the other related parts that attach or go inside of housing are 9N. I hope this helps.



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don t. - 9n180179

12-20-2003 03:05:05




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
"draft control for my 9n"....zane thang.
Best $'s I've spent for my 45-2N.
10-60 minute installation, depending upon rust.
LOTS lets work than swapping parts.
Legal disclaimer(grin)...NOT associated w/Zane except as a very satisified user of his invention.
FWIW.....don t. ....



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Dell (WA)

12-19-2003 23:59:07




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 Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-19-2003 23:19:48  
Phil..... ..I wouldn't have gutts enuff to try what you are asking about. The tranny casting is different and the steering gearbox scheme is different. The hydraulic pump is different. The hydraulic control is different. 'bout the only thing thats the same is the clutch, and the differential spyders.

You DOUBT? Get a copy of the N-Ford Master Parts Catalog and STUDY IT THOUGHLY.

You want an 8N, don't cannibalize your 9N, get an 8N. Sell your 9N.

If'n ya justs gotta wrench around, consider the much eazier 9N engine into the 8N. The 42 9N engine is identical to the 48 8N engine.

Howsomevers, a 9N with a "Zane's Thang" for position control is everybitt as good as an 8N. The 9N already has draft control.

Your propossed 8N tranny transplant is NOT VIABLE..... .respectfully, Dell

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Phil B.

12-20-2003 00:33:26




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 Re: Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Dell (WA), 12-19-2003 23:59:07  
Thanks Dell. I will study the manuals I just bought. You've given me some good input. Guess I'll be looking into a aux. trans to get the gearing lower.

Are there ring & pinion options availabe for the 9n to drop the gearing (increase in the numerical ratio)?

Also, I've read about this "zane thang" but can't find any pictures. I went to the web site that sells the product but it did not have any pictures. Any leads?


Thanks,

Phil B.

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9n141

12-20-2003 08:00:23




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-20-2003 00:33:26  
I have 8n (parts tractor} that some one put a 2n trans, dash steering box etc. WHAT an awful looking set up. When you say it hasn't run in 12 years doesn't mean its no good., take it apart and check it out. My friend does some for me and several for himself. He always checks my "parts tractors for "life". This week 1941-9n seemed to be seized. RESULTS: coil no good, battery got low, starter locked in ring gear, towed it (to fast), sent for parts tractor. This is what we think the previous owner did. Solution: took motor apart, bearings good, crank good, oil pump loose-put in new oil pump, did valve job, carb kit, new coil, tune up kit, wires, rebuilt gen., starter drive, new ring gear, cleaned trans and hyd. with diesel fuel, replaced ALL fluids, oil gauge. We now have tractor "field ready" to work. Total cost about of parts aprox. $500-550 US plus labour. BURT. P.S. were are finding that about 70% of our tractors bought for parts can be working tractors for under $1000.

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Mike

12-20-2003 05:45:33




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-20-2003 00:33:26  
Phil,

You won't be disappointed with the Zane Thang position control for the 9N/2N. I told Zane his control is a lot more fun to watch than the one on the 8N, you get to watch it work while you're using it and that can provide a lot of entertainment while you're doing a boring jub. If you check the archives I don't think you'll find a negative comment about the Thang, good luck.

Mike



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Pitch

12-20-2003 02:10:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Phil B., 12-20-2003 00:33:26  
No options on the gearing you got what there is.You ain't gonna see a picture of a Zane thang. It was invented by a member of this board and at the time he asked that no pictures be published of it and by some miracle over a period of 4 or 5 years folks have complied. I have an 8 so I have no need for one myself. I know that buying something sight unseen is an unusual thing but in this ase from all reports you have no fears. The reason for the secrecy is that it is such a simple device and the anticipated low sales volume made it not worth the price of a patent and if it was pictured it would be easy to copy.Contact Zane and talk to him,search the archives I'm sure that your questions will be answered.

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Phil B.

12-21-2003 17:54:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Trans in a 9n in reply to Pitch, 12-20-2003 02:10:38  
Thanks for all the comments. Lot's to consider. Well, I popped open the tranny inspection cover and nothing but rust (lots of it).

I'll check further into the Thang and maybe an aux. trans to get my low gearing.


Thanks all, great forum here. Anyone need 8n parts?


Phil B.



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