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What is the Engine's HP rated on 8N

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Roland Jackson

01-09-2004 14:01:24




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Over coffee this morning, my neighbor ask me a question that I couldn't answer. How much horsepower do engines of the 8n, 600 series and 800 series develop? It is easy to find PTO horse power and drawbar horse power.....but what actual horse power do the engines develop?




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Dell (WA)

01-09-2004 16:35:35




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 Re: What is the Engine's HP rated on 8N in reply to Roland Jackson, 01-09-2004 14:01:24  
Roland..... ...actually, you can thank FORD for the availablity of PTO and Drawbar horsepower figures.....that's MINNEAPOLIS FORD. A flim-flam shyster named W. Baer Ewing that started a "Ford Tractor" manufacturing company, using the name of one of his workers for his tractor company. Hoping to cash-in on the fame of the Model-T Ford.

A very influential Nebraska State Senator named Crozier bought one and it crapped out on the way home from the dealer. He then got the State of Nebraska to pass a LAW that all tractors sold in Nebraska MUST BE TESTED by the University of Nebraska Agriculture Engineering Dept BEFORE they could be sold to Nebraska Farmers.

The Nebraska Tests were eventually realized by tractor manufacturers to sell tractors better than any "advertized" horsepower. BTW.....the 1940 9N certified 23.1 PTO hp engine was also sold in 1940 Ford city delivery vans advertized at 40 hp.

Henry Ford REFUSED to buy out this Minneapolis company to get his "Ford" name back, so in 1917 Henry started his own Henry Ford & Son tractor company, marketing "Fordson Tractors". And you wonder why Henry hated lawyers so much that he "shook hands" with Harry Ferguson to start production of our "beloved N's"..... ...Dell

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week N warrior / MO

01-09-2004 18:10:26




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 Re: Re: What is the Engine's HP rated on 8N in reply to Dell (WA), 01-09-2004 16:35:35  
That's a good story Dell.
I wonder If anyone here has ever seen one of those Ford tractors. Any one got a picture of one they could post?
Guess they would be a collectors item.
Wonder how many were made.
Carl



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Jeb2N

01-09-2004 18:29:57




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 Re: Re: Re: What is the Engine's HP rated on 8N in reply to week N warrior / MO, 01-09-2004 18:10:26  
The first "Ford" tractor that was a rip-off was a really odd looking thing. I used to have a book that talked about them, but I can't remember which one or where it is. I do remember that it was green with all steel wheels. The engine was in the front and was straddled by two large, fendered wheels up front, and the operator sat in back on a single third wheel that pivoted to steer. The fenders had two white strips going around them and in the front had "FORD" in a white oval (or perhaps circle, don't quite remember). He was just trying to capitalize on the success of the Ford name with the Model T.

In the same book that talked about this unique and rare tractor, they had a picture about a man at a university that aparently found one that had never been assembled. He worked at a college i think and had students help him work on researching it and reassembling it over the course of about 3 years. It is now a museum piece, if i'm not mistaken. Also, if you get C.H. Wendell's book "The Encyclopdia of American Farm Tractors", you'll see some pictures from original advertising in there for this strange tractor.

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Dan

01-09-2004 15:30:55




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 Re: What is the Engine's HP rated on 8N in reply to Roland Jackson, 01-09-2004 14:01:24  
Assuming a standard 15% drivetrain loss for a standard transmission - I would say 32 flywheel HP would be safe to assume (that means engine only - not the power output to the wheels or PTO shaft).

Dan



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Dan

01-09-2004 15:28:27




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 Re: What is the Engine's HP rated on 8N in reply to Roland Jackson, 01-09-2004 14:01:24  
Assuming a standard 15% drivetrain loss for a standard transmission - I would say 32 flywheel HP would be safe to assume (that means engine only - not the power output to the wheels or PTO shaft).

Dan



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