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rickNAA

01-12-2004 08:06:12




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I've read and tried many of the forum suggestions but still can't get the NAA running well. I've had the NAA for 20+ years and it has served me well. The problem: Sputters under load. This can happen in the first 10 min and continues on. What is strange is that it may sputter to the point of choking off for 30 sec and and then run fine for 30 sec. Going down hill or on the level seems to run fine. Going up hill under load it sputters.
Things I've done: complete gas tank clean, direct wire the switch to eliminate switch, put back in 75 amp switch, new coil,plugs,rotor. I believe it's one of 3 possible problems; 1.Gas tank venting since I believe it acts gas starved. 2. Points/condensor. 3. Coil bad, 12v maybe the resistor pre-coil is bad. Any suggestions ?

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Fast Ed Ohio

01-12-2004 23:40:44




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
ricknaa, try dumping some dry gas in the old gas tank, wont cost much, wont hurt anything, wont take up much of your time, water in gas ?



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raytasch

01-12-2004 15:39:18




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
Rick, I would ask two questions.
1.HOw long has it been since it had a complete carb cleaning, I mean completly cleaned as with all jets removed and passages purged?
2.Does the engine smooth out if you apply choke at the time the engine falters?
If it is gas tank venting you can loosen the cap as a test.
ray



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Also --Cap

01-12-2004 11:28:27




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
Rick -- If you check for water in your fuel like Dell suggested (a good idea), and there is some, what you will see is a blob or two of clear stuff (or a layer) in the BOTTOM of the jar. It should also be present in your sediment bowl under the gas tank. When you do the drain into the jar be sure you catch ALL the drained fuel, ESPECIALLY the first bit, because that's when the water will be coming out if there is any. There are other possible causes, but water in the fuel is most often the result of condensation inside the tank when the fuel level is low and there are temperature changes occurring. One reason to keep your gas tank full as much as possible. Good practice -- check fulid levels and top off, and grease stuff, when you put it away for the day.
(some may disagree) --Cap--

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Dell (WA)

01-12-2004 08:47:34




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
Rick..... ...you write..... "Going down hill or on the level seems to run fine. Going up hill under load it sputters". Why does that make me think you've got some water sloshin' in your gastank?. Drain some gass outta yer carb drain into a glass quart jar for inspection..... .Dell



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Cap-N-ID

01-12-2004 08:46:18




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
Rick -- Sounds like it may be slightyl fuel starved under load. Try richening the fuel mixture. 1/4 turn or so for starters (mainjet needle adjustment aprox 1/4 turn counter clockwise) If that helps then take the carb off and clean it thoroughly paying particular attention to the jets and small passages, reinstall, and readjust both the idleing and mainjets as per manual. All those years of good service may have allowed the carb to get a bit "crudded up". Just a thought.
(some may disagree) --Cap--

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souNdguy

01-12-2004 08:40:10




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
Really sounds like fuel to me... Can you get a steady fuel flow from under the carb?

Soundguy



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Evil Steve

01-12-2004 08:38:55




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
rick-

Engines need three things to run properly:

1) Good spark (whitiesh/blue color) delivered to each cylinder at the proper time.

2) Good fuel/air mixture delivered to each cylinder in proper quatitity.

3) Sufficient compression.


Poor performance/dies/sputters under laod is most often SPARK related.
Now, as to spark , I have to assume your tune-up procedures and (I don;t mean any insult) mechanical abilities are correct and thorough. I.e., your point gap is right on target, connections are all clean/bright/tight, plug wires are incorrect firing order and are of copper core type (not off-th-shelf automotive type). If so, you can take an old,properly gapped plug and ground it to the engine block, crank engine and see that REQUIRED whtiesh/blue spark and KNOW at least that spark is good. If it isn't you must track it down before doing anything else. Otherwise, you may chase a lotta ghosts.

Assuming spak is good AND plug wires in proper order AND base timing is set correctly, then if you've run down the normal list of fuel related things (fuel screens, carb settings, float settings, etc.), then check your manifold for leaks. A leaking intake gasket will lean out your fuel mixture and cause sputtering/dying. If that's okay, check valve lash. An improper lash will not allow sufficient fuel/air mix into the cylinders (it will close to early so not enough mix gets in).

If all above checks out, then perform a dry then wet compression check. Don't haapen to know the minimum comp #s, but they are available in the specs to the left. Poor compression can becaused by worn rings, worn sleeves, rings not installed properly, burned/bent/improprely lashed valves, carbon,obstructions, head gasket leak - several things.

Hope that gives you some more ideas.

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NAA Rob

01-12-2004 08:38:10




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 Re: NAA running poor in reply to rickNAA, 01-12-2004 08:06:12  
Most 12V coils do not require the in line resisor, they have them built in. Make sure it is a 12V coil and not a 6V that you are stepping down the power too. That being said it does sound like a fuel problem. When you cleaned the tank did you clean the screens?? There is one above the fuel shut off valve and one in the carb where the fuel line goes in to a 90 degree elbo.



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