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9N'er

01-26-2004 11:15:31




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got taken yesterday by the contractor who framed our house. the bank accidentally wired the last progress payment to the builder (instead of a joint check to us through the mail) and the builder kept $6,000.00 more than what the bank, inspector, and signed/notorized agreement stated. He arbitrarily decided to pay himself his entire commission and 100% of the plumbing and heating cost ...although his plumbing and heating sub is not finished and the roofing is not done or the crickets and wall framing around the exterior and interior chimney flues. he billed us for a set of concrete steps we rejected and were taken away. the contract with him and the bank says balance of commission due upon completion of all work items. In fact, we had a sit down meeting with him on 12/23 and he agreed to the items and partial payment of his commission. Oh was I steamed up and called the bank (large national and intl. lending institution) and called up the line to corporate hq's. they called him and threatened misapropriation of funds, felony, and blacklisting him from any potential customers who may secure a loan from them. man oh man, i mean this guy shot himself in the foot, broke our trust, tried to take the money and run. anyone else have a similar thing with a contractor like this?

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Rob N VA

01-26-2004 17:28:49




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 Re: (OT) got taken in reply to 9N'er, 01-26-2004 11:15:31  
Contractors are like Attorneys, some of them are just scum. I got burned by an electrical contractor this past summer for 2 grand. This is my first house and I paid the guy up front (never a good idea). I learned a valuable lesson, and an expensive one, but I did call the better business bureau, and the state licencensing commission, and had his contractors license revoked permanently, but at the end of it all I still lost my 2 grand. SCREEN YOUR CONTRACTORS WELL! This is not to say that some of my other contractors have not been absolutely wonderful, because they have been! And I would recomend them in a heartbeat.

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George Willer

01-26-2004 17:24:21




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 Re: (OT) got taken in reply to 9N'er, 01-26-2004 11:15:31  
I had just the opposite happen about 40 years ago.

The customer came to me and said, "I've borrowed all the money for the house and I know you will finish it as soon as you can, so you might as well have the money." He paid in full for a finished house before it was completely framed! It worked out well for both of us.

George Willer



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Johnny

01-26-2004 15:31:16




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 Re: (OT) got taken in reply to 9N'er, 01-26-2004 11:15:31  
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes. The bank is at fault for advancing the funds. However, in many states (I do not know where you are at), it is the home owner that is ultimately responsible for paying the subs. If he keeps the HVAC and plumbers money, it is possible they could file a lien on you and your property. He should have 24 hours to return the money.

I just happen to work in the construction financing field. Unfortunately, even in the most stringent/regulated banks, these things occasionally happen, whether it be a unattentive draw coordinator or what. I have never seen the case (at three institutions over 15 years) where the builder voluntarily returned the money. EVEN THE SMART AND OTHERWISE TRUSTWORTHY ONES. I think the mentality is either: 1) Hey, the bank did something wrong and I cannot figure it out. I'll just sit on the money until they get it straight then give it back.; or, 2) Hey, they sent too much money. This must be like that time they forgot to process that check I wrote to Wal-Mart and it never got deducted. Its their loss and my windfall, good beer tonight.
;or (honestly believe to be the most common),
3) This is weird, the draw doesn't seem right. Well, they have strange calculations, a relationship with the borrower outside of me, and professionals overseeing these draws. Maybe they are catching up on something I missed earlier or have made some arrangement with the borrower.

Hopefully, he'll step up to the plate. Not much worse than having to lose a builder half-way through.

As far as the steps go, I would find out where they came from, call and see if his account was credited for the return. Use this as ammunition, either: 1) Hey you messed up, they credited you for the steps.; or 2) Now I know your a thief, you never returned the steps, just what job or personal home improvement project DID you use them for. Sometimes, the contract will have a surcharge for change orders. So either build the case for him ordering the wrong items or be prepared for a change order charge.

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Lone Wolf

01-28-2004 17:25:12




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 Re: Re: (OT) got taken in reply to Johnny, 01-26-2004 15:31:16  
The payment of subs generally is the responsibility of the general contractor. If the home owner is acting as the G.C. then he would be responsible but if he hired a GC it would be the G.C. Granted a lien could be placed on the property regardless of who was the general.
Safest thing to do is pay based on % completed and then only after you have lien releases from every sub and supplier for the previous month's work and supplies. Never pay in advance. If your GC can't fund his startup get someone who can. LW

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Bruce (VA)

01-26-2004 12:54:45




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 Re: (OT) got taken in reply to 9N'er, 01-26-2004 11:15:31  
If the bank doesn't get the money back in about 24 hours, they should call the local PD. But, it's the banks problem. We have already determined that the contractor only has half a brain by taking the money.....lets see if he is totally mindless by not returning it!



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Jim in Minn

01-26-2004 12:34:09




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 Re: (OT) got taken in reply to 9N'er, 01-26-2004 11:15:31  
Hey 9N'er, that's not your problem but the banks. They made the mistake and should cut another check to you for the appropriate amount.



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Russ in SoCal

01-26-2004 14:28:46




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 Re: Re: (OT) got taken in reply to Jim in Minn, 01-26-2004 12:34:09  
You have got to be kidding, Jim. Even when it's their mistake, banks sure are slow on handing out money. They'll say "after we recover..." You are right on what they should do, but a man might as well "should" in one hand and finish the job himself with the other. ; ^ )
Russ



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