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Welding the block ?

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Rick B, Silvert

02-04-2004 08:48:30




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I have my 49'8N apart to do engine repairs and found some one tried to repair a damaged cylinder head bolt threads (threads in the block that hold the cylinder head down)with a heli coil insert. Its a terrible fix, they got it in crooked and off center and went into part to the adjacent water port when they drilled it out.To compensate they oged out the bolt hole in the head so they could get the bolt started at the angle of the new insert. I want to fix this and my queston is; if I take out the insert can the threaded hole be filled in with weld and re-drilled and tapped ? sound resonable?
My concern is with the cast iron block and its reaction to being welded (cracking, warping) if this is a resonable route what type of welder is best suited to this repair? Thnx Bman

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Mike

02-05-2004 12:23:14




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 Re: Welding the block ? in reply to Rick B, Silverton OR, 02-04-2004 08:48:30  
Rick,
I agree a hundred percent with what everyone else has said and were it mine, I would leave it alone.

But that wasn't your question, was it? If I was determined to try a fix, I think I'd clean the hole out very good and then work toward closing the damaged area and the bolt hole up with JB Weld until I got it small enough that it could be drilled and tapped for a head bolt. In tapping the hole I would work the tap in very slow and keep the threads cleaned off with compressed air.

The main thing is to take your time and clean the work area thoroughly before starting, insure you fill all holes when using the JB Weld and make sure there are no gaps or air pockets, as these will be leaks later.

I would again iterate that I would not change the current method which is working holding things together. The only reason I would consider the repair I described is to try as a last ditch effort to save the block if the current method failed to hold.

Good luck.

Mike

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steve hudson

02-04-2004 11:31:01




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 Re: Welding the block ? in reply to Rick B, Silverton OR, 02-04-2004 08:48:30  
Cast Iron is such a pain to weld right. The reason is that it has a very high amount of carbon. This gives it a very hard metal quality, which also makes it brittle. If its heated up with a stick welder make sure they use a "nickle rod". The reaon for not using a regular steel rod is that it adds even more carbon and makes the metal harder right at the weld.... which also makes the metal more brittle at the weld. Thats why you get stress cracks at the weld when it cools down. Using a nickle rod is best, using very short beads, but even with that it's very easy to get more cracks as the weld cools down.

With all that said, my advice is unless you've gotten the whole engine tore down, and are prepared to look for another block if you get bad results..... ..... .. leave it alone!!!!!

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Bob

02-04-2004 10:22:00




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 Re: Welding the block ? in reply to Rick B, Silverton OR, 02-04-2004 08:48:30  
My vote... If it was holding the head securely, leave it alone.

If it is really unusable, maybe you'd be time and money ahead to find a good used block, if you have the engine apart for repairs, anyway.



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loren

02-04-2004 10:15:59




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 Re: Welding the block ? in reply to Rick B, Silverton OR, 02-04-2004 08:48:30  
welding cast iron,well there are several ways of attempting,ie,under water,knickel rod,heat it befor welding,all of which I have tried,is a solid,long time fix,so have to agree with Dell



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Dell (WA)

02-04-2004 09:02:09




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 Re: Welding the block ? in reply to Rick B, Silverton OR, 02-04-2004 08:48:30  
Rick..... ...sometimes best t'leave sleeping dogs lie..... ....Dell



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