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Rick

02-10-2004 20:09:59




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Hello All,
Well I finally got the Head off of the neighbors 8N and saw lots of Anti-freeze on the cylinders.
What I really don't understand is how could I get so much water in the oil when I checked it and drained it? I mean, the top of the cylinder head is dry, right? I am hoping it is just a bad head gasket, but now I am worried that the block might be cracked.
Anyone seen this before?
Thanks in advance for any help
Rick

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Rick

02-10-2004 21:16:26




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 Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Rick, 02-10-2004 20:09:59  
Hello Dell,
O.K., now I have taken a deep breath and am ready to further explain.
When I got the tractor running after sitting for 12 Years, I took it for a ride down the street, after first changing the oil, coolant and filters. It ran really good for about 10 minutes, then I noticed that it started running rough and the exhaust was pouring out white. I also saw coolant coming out the exhaust maniforld. I pulled it back home and checked the oil and it was way overfilled and milky, appears to be coolant. I then drained out the bad oil and also drained the coolant from the petcock on the side of the block. Then I couldn't get the block off, but thanks to you and the rope trick, I pulled the head off and noticed coolant in the cylinders. I can understand this, but what I still have a hard time with is how does the coolant get in the oil? it seems that there is no oil in the upper end (top of cylinders.
Does this make more sense to you,
Thanks,
Rick

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souNdguy

02-11-2004 06:25:29




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 Re: Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Rick, 02-10-2004 21:16:26  
I'm still betting that you have a simple blown headgasket... especially if it sat for years, etc.

Get a nice shiny new one.. or a fiber one, and torque it down, let it warm up, and re-torque.

make sure you get all the coolant out of the cylinders, and change the oil. Just grab some bulk stuff in a pail.. get good oil but store brand is fine.. but doesn't have to be the premium stuff. Also, grab a cheapy fram c3 4$ filter... this is only a test run anyway. You won't be keeping this oil long.

If this stops the leak, plan on changing your oil again soon to flush any residual water out.

This time use whatever oil you are planning on running.. ie premium, etc.. and get a better filter.. like a napa gold 1010 or a fram c3-P.

Soundguy

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Joe (IN)

02-11-2004 01:18:54




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 Re: Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Rick, 02-10-2004 21:16:26  
Rick, the "N" motors have sleeved cylinders, so the only way that a cracked block could leak that much coolant into the cylinders would be if the slleve cracked as well. Not very likely. You're probably dealing with a blown head gasket. These motors seem to have their fair share of those. Clean the mess out of the cylinders, inspect everything for cracks, or other damage, and put her back together if you find nothing out of the ordinary. Make sure you retorque the head bolts after she's hot.

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Rick

02-11-2004 01:39:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Joe (IN), 02-11-2004 01:18:54  
So, How does so much coolant end up in the oil sump?
Thanks,
Rick



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JohN 50

02-11-2004 13:21:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Rick, 02-11-2004 01:39:29  
The coolant seeps down around past the rings to get into the oil sump. Does not mean anything is wrong with your rings so don't worry about them. Unless you have a lot of wear. How much ring grove do you have? A lot? Good time to bite the bullet and overhaul the engine.



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JohN 50

02-11-2004 13:20:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Rick, 02-11-2004 01:39:29  
The coolant seeps down around past the rings to get into the oil sump. Does not mean anything is wrong with your rings so don't worry about them. Unless you have a lot of wear. How much ring grove do you have? A lot? Good time to bite the bullet and overhaul the engine.



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Dell (WA)

02-10-2004 20:29:10




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 Re: Anti-freeze on Oil in reply to Rick, 02-10-2004 20:09:59  
Rick..... ....slow down and take a deep breath. You write..... "I mean, the top of the cylinder head is dry, right?"..... Where does your radiator hose connect? To the cylinder head, right? Have you any idea why? BIG CLUE: to keep the burning gasoline from melting the castiron cylinder head. Its called "thermo-dynamics". You ever wonder why your head gasket has weird shaped holes in it? Its so the cylinderhead coolant can circulate HOT engine block coolant to the water pump to be pumped to the radiator for cooling.

Not unusual for the cylinderhead cavity to have a small amount of residual coolant still inside when you pull the cylinderhead. And is not unusal for that coolant to "spill" ontop of your pistons. And if'n you relied on just the radiator drain to drain your cylinder head and engine block, you mucked up because there is supposed to be a block drain behind the oil filter canister to ensure a full drain of the cylinderhead.

Oh yeah, its amazing that a teaspoon of green anti-freeze looks like a FLOOD..... ...Dell

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