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10-SI Alternator Conversion Experiences?

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Phil B.

02-24-2004 18:37:51




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I've got a new 10-SI (7127) alternator on the shelf and am entertaining using it for the 12V conversion on my 2n. Anyone used one in a homebrew conversion with pictures or cautionary advice? I've read the articles on this site and other places, I understand that serial resistance will be needed and have the wiring diagrams from this great site - its just the mounting that has me concerned. The bracketry should be very straightforward, it is the clearances that have me concerned. The 10-SI is about an inch larger in diameter than the stock generator. Tie rod could smack it if out too far and the belt would hit the distributer if I tuck it in too far. Just looking for someone who's "been there, done that" before.


Phil B.

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Danny in CO

02-25-2004 12:36:55




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 Re: 10-SI Alternator Conversion Experiences? in reply to Phil B., 02-24-2004 18:37:51  
Phil,

I converted my 48 8N to 12 volts over 2 years ago and have never been sorry. The reason I converted was that I have a number of cars that I don't drive as often as I should and the batteries always seemed to be down when I tried to start them. The 8N is easier to maneuver around than my car or truck. Sooo, I wanted to convert to 12 volts to have a 12 volt source to jump from.

First off, I went to a junk/salvage yard and told them what I wanted to do. They went out and pulled an alternator off a mid 70s GM for $25. It was the 3 wire Delco 10si. I also got a top bracket from them for free. The bracket has a hole in one end and a slot in the other and is slightly curved. I bought a piece of 3/16" x 1.5" flat stock to use to make the bottom bracket. At the junk yard, I also bought a 12 volt battery for $10. They checked it and gave me a 30 day garantee on it. I also bought a roll of 10 gauge and a roll of 12 guage wire with a couple of boxes of crimp connections.

I was now ready to start the conversion. I pulled the generator with its brackets and the regulator off. I used the flat stock to make 2 brackets using just a hacksaw and a drill. These brackets went on the bottom of the alternator and the block where the generator mounted. The bottom mounting of the alternator was excatly the same width as the mounting on the block. After making the 2 brackets, I used 2 3/8" bolts to mount the bottom of the alternator to the block. I used the free bracket I got from the junk yard for the top bracket and used one of the timing cover bolts on the block end. The pulley on the alternator was too small for the belt on the 8N. I went to NAPA and told them what I was looking for in a pulley. They had a box full of old pulleys from alternators used as cores. I found one that was supposed to be used for a serpentine belt that was the same width as the belt on my tractor that fit my "new" alternator. They gave me the pulley for free. Maybe I was lucky, but everything lined up when I put the pulley on.

Next I completely rewired the tractor, one wire at a time using the 10 and 12 guage wire and crimps. When I got to the wires that had gone to the generator, I used this wiring diagram I had drawn up:

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All of the wiring diagrams I could find were for side mount distributors. They did not look right to me for my front mount distributor. So, I drew my own. I used a marker lamp from Wal Mart. There are a number of ways to go here, but I went with the marker lamp because it is easy.

After rewiring it, the only thing left was to get the correct voltage to the original 6 volt front mount coil. I went to the auto parts store again and took my volt/ohm meter. I got them to pull several resistors. I bought 3 resistors, a 1.2 ohm, a 1.6 ohm, and a 1.8 ohm. When I got home I used each in series with my original ballast resistor to see which would get closest to 3.5 volts at the top of the coil with the points closed. The 1.6 ohm worked for me.

As I said, this was over 2 years ago and I have been very happy with the conversion. I never fails to start in cold weather and I can jump start my vehicles with the tractor.

My total cost was about $50 for everything. As someone else here on the bourd says, "Your results may vary!"

Good luck,
Danny

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Phil B.

02-25-2004 16:12:24




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 Re: Re: 10-SI Alternator Conversion Experiences? in reply to Danny in CO, 02-25-2004 12:36:55  
Thanks for the great info guys! Does anyone have pics (close ups) of their mounting brackets? I have my ideas but there may be a better way... The written instructions are great but you know, a picture is worth a 1000 words.

Good stuff. I'm into this project $30 (for the alternator) and don't see how I could spend another $20. I may splurge and buy a new 12V coil but I don't think I will.

Since you guys haven't complained about clearance issues, I'll assume this wasn't an issue for you (e.g., tie rod smacking the alt. on rough roads).


Thanks again.


Phil B.

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9NJoe

02-25-2004 09:15:14




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 Re: 10-SI Alternator Conversion Experiences? in reply to Phil B., 02-24-2004 18:37:51  
Phil,

I have done it on my 9N and it works great. I bought mine as a kit and it came with brackets but I still had to do some cutting and bending to get it all just right. You are going to change things from positive ground to negative ground. You will need a 12 volt battery and a ballast resistor for the coil.

I have my 10-SI mounted on the right hand side of the engine. It does stick out past the dogleg which kind of bugs me a little. (future project) You will also need a small 12 volt light. I used a side marker light from a car. The light is used as an idiot light to show generator operation. I have it tucked under the hood out of sight. It serves to excite the alternator, some folks use resistors for this purpose but I prefer the light.

Mounting is pretty straight forward. just put a big enough adjustment in the top arched bracket to allow the generator to pivot so the belt wont hit the distributor cap. My belt is about a half an inch away from the cap. Then you can determine the proper belt length and get a belt to fit. The belt should be pretty tight to keep the whipping down so it does not hit the cap. When my belt gets too loose, I see black marks on my cap and then I know it needs attention.

Wiring diagrams are everywhere so I wont get into it. If you need one, email me and I will sketch one up for you.

Good luck.

Joe

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Tommy D

02-25-2004 09:06:35




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 Re: 10-SI Alternator Conversion Experiences? in reply to Phil B., 02-24-2004 18:37:51  
Here's my story....

Good Luck!

Tommy D.

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