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02-10-2001 13:51:14

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Every once in a while you see an old tractor with a front mounted blade on it, and then the rest of us pull our blades behind us. the obvious advantage of pulling is they hook to three point hitch and everyone has 'em so you can get one cheap. But if money is not an issue (and for me it is, this is just for curiosity) which does a better job on snow, gravel, dirt, etc. Pushin' out front or pulling behind.

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Terry

02-11-2001 15:22:45

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Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to SF, 02-10-2001 13:51:14

How are you guys raising the front blade? I saw a front blade that used cables that ran from the top of the blade arms, over the front axle, along the bottom of the tractor to a couple of pulleys under the rear lift arms, and attached to the lift arms allowing the arms to control the blade. I have never seen anything like that before and had been contiplating on building one.

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teadave

02-11-2001 17:35:33

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Re: Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to Terry, 02-11-2001 15:22:45

terry: i used the same system but with a warn 2000 pound winch mounted where the drawbar is supposed to bolt on. i didn't want to lose the use of the 3pt all winter long.

teadave

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Snowplow

02-11-2001 10:46:10

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Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to SF, 02-10-2001 13:51:14

The lack of a stiff neck alone makes the front blade a beter choice for me.

I only use my front blade for pushing snow. Often I have to back up and ram a pile to get up where it needs to go. This is nearly impossible with a back blade. Also I work snow around corners again very difficult steering job with a back blade. I can also pusk snow over bank while keeping the business wheels on good ground. I can comfortably plow in 3rd gear. And I can easily push things without running them over first.

Down side is that I only get about 8" of lift. And of your not careful the angled blade will make steering tough.

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teadave

02-10-2001 18:35:03

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Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to SF, 02-10-2001 13:51:14

i built this 7 foot plow in the fall for my tea20.
i have had this tractor 10 years and always hated using my 7 foot back blade for snow. same problems as the other guys, sore neck etc. i am simply AMAZED at how much more snow i can push with it. it is very controllable and now i have 3 gears to choose from rather than one. i assumed i would have to have weight on the rear (i already have loaded tires) but haven't even had the back blade on when pushing snow. i don't think this unit will push dirt and gravel(not strong enough) but it will move a pile of snow in a hurry. i suggest anyone that gets a fair amount of snow buy/build one as they will not be sorry.

teadave

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ray

02-10-2001 18:48:42

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Re: Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to teadave, 02-10-2001 18:35:03

howdy, i saw your article on the snow plow and was interested in building one. do you have any sketches or plans on your's?

thanks ray

ray_madera@dellmail.com 2/10/01 6:50pm

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Jer (U.P. Mich)

02-10-2001 17:49:24

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Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to SF, 02-10-2001 13:51:14

I use a back blade backwards and drive in reverse for plowing snow but after a year of it (~230" so far), I am looking for a front blade (used snowplow blade). I have a small bucket on the front that I also use but since it is narrow I can't move much snow with it.

Given the experience with pushing backwards and using the bucket forwards, here are my thoughts on the advantages of going forward with a blade on front for snow plowing:
-I have much more control
-I have three gears available (sometimes the extra momentum from 2nd or even 3rd is useful)
-I don't have to crank my body/neck around 180 degrees
-I would have the 3-point available for weight (if needed)

I tried going forward with the backblade forward but just got too much snow piled up in between the blade and the wheels. Also, once you have snowbanks you can't put the snow anywhere when running this way.

For moving dirt (although I haven't really moved enough dirt to have an opinion) I would prefer the backblade on the three point mainly because on my system the position of the front blade/bucket is controlled by the hydraulics and doesn't 'float' like the three point does. The three point seems to take what it can and doesn't dig too much (and when I save enough pennies for my zane thing I will be able to control it even better). The front bucket/blade follows the tractor and digs deep or rides high as the terrain changes, making it more difficult to get level.

For what it's worth....

Jer

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RWK in Wi

02-11-2001 12:25:31

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Re: Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to Jer (U.P. Mich), 02-10-2001 17:49:24

If you already have a bucket on the front there is an easy / cheap way to mount a blade. Get a used plade from a pickup truck, lay the attacjomg arm in the bucket making sure there is room for ths blade to angle, and weld some brackets to the bucket to pin the blade in. attach the lift chain to the top of the bucket or the loader mount. It works.
Good luck on your project.

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Al English

02-10-2001 14:32:05

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Re: pushin' or pullin' in reply to SF, 02-10-2001 13:51:14

Hi SF, I'm far from an expert at moving dirt, and have several holes in my pole building to prove it. But, I find the front blade to be much more controlable than a back blade. When plowing snow with a back blade, even with the blade angled, snow tends to build up between the blade & the rear tires. And even if you plow in reverse, none of the back blades I've seen can roll and turn the snow to the side like a good front blade does. We've had more snow than usual here in Michigan this year. I have about 750 feet of drive to plow, and due to the topography, the areas to push it are limited. I reached a point where my 641 with a back blade couldn't do any more. No problem, I jumped on my neighbors Ford 545 which at least a 7 foot back blade. About 45 minutes later the 545 had done all it was going to do. My neighbor came out & asked me why I was messing around with that back blade, and told me to use his 3400 which has a nice front blade on it. It was great. The 3400 is a quite a bit smaller than the 545, but with a front blade it out plows the 545 with back blade 5 to 1. I'm not going to get rid of my back blade, but I will have a front blade on my tractor by next winter...Al English

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