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Arthur Brestlin

02-11-2001 08:43:21




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Today I tried this red paint by brushing on an old flat bar top link. It turned out very close to what I think 8N red should be.It is, however a bit too glossy for me.Does anyone know of an additive or agent which can be added to oil base enamels that would reduce or eliminate the "high gloss" effect? Thanks




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Gaspump

02-12-2001 07:14:19




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 Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Arthur Brestlin, 02-11-2001 08:43:21  
Actually Ford tractors left the factory with a very glossy finish. Some clear coat jobs I have seen are glossier. I have painted an 8N with XO-6 and agree it is about as close as you can come to the original red using an off the shelf paint. The XO-6 is a very slow to dry paint, its gloss will tone down in time but the color holds up well. I have a good color sample of original paints but at this time only can find my gray comparison and the original gloss of the 1950 gray paint is the same as current paints.

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Al English

02-12-2001 09:16:58




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 Re: Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Gaspump, 02-12-2001 07:14:19  
Hi Gaspump, The newer enamels, especially polyurethane, are so glossy they can make an ordinary sand casting look terrible. Properly applied the paint looks wet when it's dry, and it stays that way. The only ways of avoiding this are flattening the paint, smoothing the casting manually(a lot of work), using heavy bodied primers(reduces durability), or using a less glossy paint.

I just painted a bunch of old Triumph motorcycle parts for a friend of mine. I tried to warn him but he had to have gloss black Imron paint. Well...every imperfection and every bit of roughness on those parts is now visable from the next room. Now we get to sand and scuff everything so it can be re-painted more like the way they were originally. And since he's a friend of mine, and we trade favors back and forth, I get to do it for free.

Those old enamels were shiny, but not THAT shiny. And you're right, they didn't retain their gloss like the newer paints generally do...Al English

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Gaspump

02-12-2001 10:30:27




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 Re: Re: Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Al English, 02-12-2001 09:16:58  
Wanta bet? I have my paint samples right here in front of me. The 8N gray is from an original can from early 1950's, Ford part number 250202/Gray. The other sample is the current Gray for older Fords, actually the color used 58-63 and sold by NH is M1J957/Gray Enamel. No difference in gloss only that the original color is darker and hence absorbs more light rather than reflecting it.



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Al English

02-12-2001 11:28:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Gaspump, 02-12-2001 10:30:27  
Gaspump, From the posts I've read you are obviously very familiar with these tractors, and I sincerely appreciate the information you posted for me recently. I have do desire to question you, argue with you, or start a big RE. to the tenth power exchange. I don't know what TYPES of paints you are comparing, Alkyd is "old fashion" enamel, acrylic and polyurethane are more modern products. Maybe both of your samples are alkyd enamel. I suspect that's the case, as alkyd enamel is still widly used for painting machinery and industrial equipment. And, I would accept that an old tractor could have been every bit as glossy as a new one. What I am saying is that all things being equal acrylic enamel is glossier than alkyd, and polyurethane is way glossier than either of them. And, if a rough sand casting is painted with one of these glossier paints it will look rougher that if painted with the older, less glossy paint. Not only is this based on my 15 years of experience working with these materials, and the observations of painters in general, but also on labratory measured specifications my shop was required to meet on a few of jobs. I think we are both right, and are just talking about apples and oranges...Al English

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Gaspump

02-12-2001 12:05:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Al English, 02-12-2001 11:28:05  
Al, no intent to argue but if you back up to my original statement it refers to factory finishes. I also mentioned that other paints are more glossy. I too have worked with paints of all types having worked in the offshore construction and shipbuilding industries. I have a great deal of experiance with polyurethanes as we also painted large yachts in the 90-120' range with Imron and/or AllGrip. I also often use Imron on my gas pumps. What I am saying is that The oil based paints of the 8N era (that were Alkyd as is the similar Alkyd paint sold today) for N's are the same glossiness. N's did not leave the factory with paints better than what is sold by NH today. Yes the glossiness of the current OEM paint compares to my NOS-OEM paint from the early 50's, so see we are in agreement after all! I have made sample chips of paints that as they are mentioned on the board but when scanned they tend to vary too much to be of any use off the screen so I have never shared them with the board. They do however show relativity from one color to another.

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Al English

02-12-2001 12:24:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Gaspump, 02-12-2001 12:05:47  
Gaspump, sorry about the mis-understanding. I've been wondering about your "Gaspump" handle, now I know. There used to be a guy in this area (SE Michigan)named Bob Lee who collected gas pumps & wrote a book about them. Ever hear of him?...Al English



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Gaspump

02-12-2001 13:26:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Al English, 02-12-2001 12:24:38  
I have never heard of Bob Lee but I will check it out. I have seen many collections of gas pumps from coast to coast including several in Ohio and Michigan. Old friends of the family were the Lees of Fenton (or a small nearby town) MI. Thanks for the info.



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Al English

02-11-2001 10:53:24




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 Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Arthur Brestlin, 02-11-2001 08:43:21  
Arthur, Go to the "Tractor Talk" forum & check out the 2/5/01 post on this same subject...Al English



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Al English

02-11-2001 10:44:47




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 Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Arthur Brestlin, 02-11-2001 08:43:21  
Hi Arthur, Flatteners are a little touchy to work with. Follow the directions for the product you are using, and experiment until you get the look you're after...Al English



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AL@NC

02-11-2001 08:57:44




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 Re: True Value XO-6 in reply to Arthur Brestlin, 02-11-2001 08:43:21  
You should be able to buy a flattner at about any automotive paint supply.



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