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SNC45_49

03-17-2004 20:25:43




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FYI,
I always hear about Ebay scams and have dismissed most of them but a co-worker got caught in one.
Someone had several stolen Ebay ID's. His scam was to list an expensive car, tractor, boat with a cheap buy-it-now price. The listing requires pre-aproval before bidding. When you click on the buy-it-now a screen pops that asks for information and $3000 or so. My friend saw a $35000 car and after several emails was close to sending the money. The deal started to sound funny so he terminated the contact and sent his info to Ebay. It was a scam.
Today (two weeks later) he got an Ebay email asking him to re-enter all his Ebay contact information. He was wary from the previous problem and sent the page to Ebay security. It was NOT from Ebay but looked official with all Ebay logos and fields. It was an attempt to steal his Ebay identity and other info. Ebay is pursuing the sender.
I found a couple of these items in my searches Cobra kit car (probably $50000 value)for $3000 and a Kubota tractor ($40000 value) for $3000.

If you receive an Ebay message asking for all your identification, don't respond and forward the message to Ebay security.
Don't bid on items that have a drop-down box requiring pre-aproval before bidding.
Especially, don't reply through that box.
If the buy-it-now is way too cheap,stay away.
I clicked on the items but didn't go any further. I don't think I went far enough that I compromised my ID, but I will be watching for strange messages from Ebay. I really like to use Ebay (I've bought 4-8N/9N tractors and parts) but I will certainly use more caution now!

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tim in pa

03-18-2004 09:42:45




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 Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to SNC45_49, 03-17-2004 20:25:43  
... it just ain't right! so now, the real problem is that you don't know when you see a good deal or not!!! might as well not even look anymore.



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Richie MaGoo

03-18-2004 11:35:44




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 Re: Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to tim in pa, 03-18-2004 09:42:45  
I'm a regular user of Ebay. Here's how to spot the scams:

They stipulate that the bidder must be "pre-approved". When you contact them, they will tell you to send them a Western Union money transfer, to do the deal. By doing this, they avoid all the normal "protections" of buying through Ebay/PayPal/Credit cards.

Some of them will even suggest using an "escrow" service, but, unless it is through Escrow.com, or another well known, well established escrow service, BEWARE, as some of them have set up phony escrow websites, that look very legit, but are just scams also!

If you are ever unsure about a deal, just request that the deal be done through Escrow.com. That way, the escrow service holds your money till the merchandise is received, and both you and the seller are protected.

Any time anyone suggests using a Western Union transfer, or any other method of payment other than PayPal, Postal Money-order or certified check, BEWARE. (Even if you use a credit card to pay for the Western Union transfer, you have no protection, because the credit-card protection ends when Western Union receives the money, and it is the same as if you are sending cash.)

And I would recommend not dealing with anyone outside of the United States- as there is nothing you can do if it turns out to be a scam.

I've been selling relatively big-ticket items on Ebay (recently sold a truck for $13,000) and have not had any problems.....but always be leary of anyone who mentions Western Union, or an unknown Escrow service....or any other means of avoiding the normal protective mechanisms.

If you send money to Europe via Western Union, you'll never see your money again, nor receive what you paid for.

With a little common sense, Ebay trading can be a great way to do business.

Another hint: Look at the sellers feedback, and see what kind of items he sold in the past. I looked at one "too good to be true" tractor auction recently (a new John Deere compact tractor for $2500 included shipping!)....and the sellers feedback was 100% positive- but when I looked at what he had sold in the past- it was all small, cheap stuuf, like CD's and books. I figured something was wrong- either he sold some small things, just to build a good feedback- or he was hijacking someone elses I.D. And sure enough, when I contacted the guy, turns out he was in Luxemburg(!) and wanted a Western Union transfer! (and would not accept Escrow.com, as "He needed the money right away")

The next day, Ebay pulled this guys auctions and banned him.

And...oh, yeah, usually the scammers will use someone elses pictures (as they dont actually have the item being offered)- or even pictures from a dealer website, etc. (This particular guy was using someones pictures from a legitimate auction a few pages down!- the real tractor had a starting price of $12,000)

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B. Jones

03-18-2004 03:54:31




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 Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to SNC45_49, 03-17-2004 20:25:43  
Three different times I have "ask seller a question" about a Great deal on a farm tractor. I would always ask them where I could see the tractor. Always the tractor was in Europe. The only thing they got was my E-Mail address. Could that cause me a problem?



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SNC45_49

03-18-2004 04:53:18




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 Re: Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to B. Jones, 03-18-2004 03:54:31  
To B.Jones,
I don't know how the theft takes place in the computer contact. I know that my friend went through the approval Pop-Up box and continued his contacts through regular email.
The mailing address for the pre-approval money was in Denmark.
SNC



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too good to be true...

03-18-2004 03:25:05




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 Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to SNC45_49, 03-17-2004 20:25:43  
it probibly is! thanks mom and dad,
mike



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Allen In Oregon

03-17-2004 20:44:41




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 Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to SNC45_49, 03-17-2004 20:25:43  
I received the same kind of solicitation from an email claimig to be Paypal. They are a scam also!
I had to change my password for Paypal because I was dumb enough to enter my password before I realized what I was doing. It looked so real! BE VERY CAREFUL. Allen



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Kevin 8N184534 HEAR HEAR

03-17-2004 21:45:00




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 Re: Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to Allen In Oregon, 03-17-2004 20:44:41  
Folks,

I am grateful to those here who have helped me either directly or indirectly keep ol Ike, (Dad's 8N) running. I am learning...

I am not new to computers and the internet. I am relatively new to Paypal.

I swollowed a "paypal" email hook, line and sinker. Gave them my password.... Luckily i realized it and changed my password....

I also forwarded the email to spoof@paypal.com.

I thought "they won't get me"..... WRONG!!

to quote Sgt Philip Esterhaus of Hill St Station:
"Let's be careful out there"

Not just around old iron either....

Kevin

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One more thing....

03-18-2004 04:54:07




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 Re: Re: Re: OT EBAY SCAM in reply to Kevin 8N184534 HEAR HEAR, 03-17-2004 21:45:00  
I really got tired of seeing tractors I was interested in listed something like "tractor for sale locally-reserve the right to terminate auction early". I Emailed Ebay and asked if I had the right to back out of a deal if I found one locally. The came back and said these people do not have the right to terminate early- against Ebay rules. If you see this "terminate early" thing send a complaint to Ebay.I am sure some are an honest misunderstanding but others are just a way to get out of selling if they don't like the final price. Its your dime.
Tom 8N396936

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