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'49 8N Idle problem

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R.L.Merritt

04-01-2004 18:53:50




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My '49 8N runs GREAT all the time. It runs great at idle, as long as the choke is 1/2 closed. I have had this problem ever since I rebuilt the tractor. It has a new manifold, which had been milled, and pressure tested to try and find the problem. Of course, the manifold passed with flying colors. i have a new Marvel Schebler carb (cast iron). I've seen some posts regarding the use of WD40 to find vacuum leaks. I think that is the most crazy thing I have ever heard of. Not only is it crazy, but it's dangerous as hell. Yall know how flammable WD40is? I always just use water in a squirt bottle. It's much safer. At any rate, I have no signs of vacuum leaks. Any thoughts?

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Texman

04-02-2004 18:42:56




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 Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-01-2004 18:53:50  
R.L. about that idling problem. I had a similar thing happen with the tractor I got now, when my brother had it. Long trouble shooting story, but the cure , for us anyway, was to remove the choke butter fly flapper in the carb. It has a small spring to return it to normal and it was sticking, stretched out I guess. Once we took that spring on the choke part off the butter fly , and removed that choke part, IN the carb. It worked fine. Never need to choke this tractor at all.

Just my $.02 worth, it worked for me anyway.

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ZANE

04-02-2004 15:52:24




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 Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-01-2004 18:53:50  
I once had an 8N come into the shop with the exhaust pipe flange broken off the manifold so I goes into the parts bin and gets a new manifold and put it on. Start the tractor and it would not run hardly at all at a low RPM and not very good at high RPM.

Work, Work, Work,

Finally tried another manifold on it and it ran fine.

Poured gasoline in the bad manifold intake with the ports turned up and gas came up in the exhaust ports. Casting hole in the manifold where it could not be seen. BAD!

This was a genuine Ford tractor part too!

Zane

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Dell (WA)

04-01-2004 19:24:21




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 Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-01-2004 18:53:50  
Merrit..... ....vacuum leaks only effect idle/low speed operation. Its the "oil" component of WD-40 that "seals" leaky manifold joints/gaskets NOT the propellant that finds the leak.

You write..... ."It runs great at idle, as long as the choke is 1/2 closed"..... .well I'm NOT IMPRESSED. If'n ya haffta close yer choke, it ain't idleing right,'cuz its too lean. You know it and I know it. Sounds like ya gotts a clogged up idle port, ya gotts 2 of'em, or yer 0.023" idlejet is semi-clogged. 'bout time ya bitt the bullett and cleaned'er out. You may need to use a fine copper wire as a cleaner-outer.

You do know how to "adjust" yer M/S carb, don't you? Ford sez: set BOTH down-pointing mainjet and side-pointing idle mixture to 1-turn. I set my mainjet to 1-1/2 turns and LEAVITT!!! Then adjust the idlemixture for max rpms, NOT smoothest, MAX rpms, understand? The N's idle is a SLOOOoooww 400 rpms set by the behind carb throttle setscrew. My idle mixtures usually end up about 3/8 turn. Remember: the N's idlemixture is BASSACKWARDS, out for lean, IN for enrich..... ..respectfully, Dell

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R.L.Merritt

04-01-2004 21:41:26




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 Re: Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to Dell (WA), 04-01-2004 19:24:21  
I wasn't tryin to impress. Just tellin you that's how it runs real good..... .with the choke half way closed. For all the WD comments....I've seen WD40 ignite off of an exhaust manifold plenty of times. Yall just ain't got lucky enuff yet.



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Willy-N

04-02-2004 06:35:32




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 Re: Re: Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-01-2004 21:41:26  
I have had WD-40 light off once, it was in a Electrical Contactor that was chatering. While it was chatering I thought it migh help it smooth out I sprayed it into a enclosed electrical box full of sparking contacts and it flamed on me. I had realy soaked it down too. It did not explode it just flamed and I put it right out. I would never spray anything on a hot manifold that could vaporize the fluid kind of like filling the gas tank on a hot engine. You have to use common sence on some of these things. If I had a manifold leak and was going to work on the engine to trouble shoot it, it would be cool first so I would lessen my chance of being burnt by hot parts. If you can make it run right cold you will know you solved the problem. Mark H.

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Dell (WA)

04-01-2004 23:41:43




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 Re: Re: Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-01-2004 21:41:26  
Merritt..... ....I'm still NOT IMPRESSED ennytime ya haffta use haffa choke to run yer engine, thats 'nuttin' to bragga 'bout. I'd be embarrassed.

As fer burning WD-40, ya ain't burning WD-40 oil, yer burning the propane pressure gas.

So what, if'n I eat pickled eggs, sourkraut, and beans, I can burn methane outta my exhaust too, BIG DEAL..... ...respectfully, the gassy Dell



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R.L.Merritt

04-02-2004 05:19:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to Dell (WA), 04-01-2004 23:41:43  
Let's try this one more time. I added the choke half way closed because that would give the information needed. Wasn't tryin to impress, become embarrassed, or even kiss anybody's butt. Good god, I'll just look for help somewhere else.



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well . . . Dell (WA)

04-02-2004 07:48:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-02-2004 05:19:59  
Merritt..... ..you've gottta closed mind, I answered yer question the FIRST TIME.

I wrote....."If'n ya haffta close yer choke, it ain't idleing right,'cuz its too lean. You know it and I know it. Sounds like ya gotts a clogged up idle port, ya gotts 2 of'em, or yer 0.023" idlejet is semi-clogged. 'bout time ya bitt the bullett and cleaned'er out. You may need to use a fine copper wire as a cleaner-outer.

You do know how to "adjust" yer M/S carb, don't you? Ford sez: set BOTH down-pointing mainjet and side-pointing idle mixture to 1-turn. I set my mainjet to 1-1/2 turns and LEAVITT!!! Then adjust the idlemixture for max rpms, NOT smoothest, MAX rpms, understand? The N's idle is a SLOOOoooww 400 rpms set by the behind carb throttle setscrew. My idle mixtures usually end up about 3/8 turn. Remember: the N's idlemixture is BASSACKWARDS, out for lean, IN for enrich"..... ..respectfully, Dell

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Willy-N

04-01-2004 19:02:38




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 Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to R.L.Merritt, 04-01-2004 18:53:50  
Well I have used it befor no problems. It is a open area and you only use a little to do the test not just spray it all over the place. It would take a open flame or a lot of sparking to lite it off. Useing either is more explosive than WD-40 but it is sprayed in carbs & air cleaners all the time. Mark H.



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Joel Haack

04-01-2004 20:07:35




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 Re: Re: '49 8N Idle problem in reply to Willy-N, 04-01-2004 19:02:38  
I never had good luck using water to check for leaks. I had a couple times where I could'nt find any leak until I used a flamable liquid. I prefer to use a spray bottle of gas.I would check again for a leak then check for a pluged idle circut. Check your ignition timing. I had a similar problem once on a rig and the timing was retarded. Good luck.



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