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Philip Hendrick

04-05-2004 04:51:05




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I am about to replace a busted block on my n and I need to know about the sleeves. What is the bore size without the sleeve. What is the difference between the 40 and the 90 sleeves. Which do I order. If I buy a sleeve and piston kit will it fit the bore. I want to have a sleeve tool made to insert the sleeves so I need the dementions of such a tool. Thanks for the help as I am sure I am going to need it.

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Mike

04-05-2004 14:13:28




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 Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Philip Hendrick, 04-05-2004 04:51:05  
Phillip,

You say you busted the block, but don't say how much damage. Before you run out and pay hundreds of bucks for a new or replacement block you might want to try a product called "BLOCK LEAK", a friend in the auto repair business told me about it a year or so back after I had purchased a 9N with a cracked block. It is a metalic based sealer and it is important that you follow the directions on the can. But you're only out around $10 if it doesn't work. Good luck.

Mike

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ZANE

04-05-2004 07:33:48




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 Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Philip Hendrick, 04-05-2004 04:51:05  
Do not try to peel out the sleeves if they are cast iron. There is a process that cab be used to peel the .040 steel sleeves by starting a screwdriver sharpened to one side to start the sleeve peeling . If this is tried on the cast iron sleeve I just about guarentee a broken block.

Their is a tool that you can use to drive the sleeves out of the bore with. It is best to have the crankshaft removed to insure that you don't damage the journals by striking them. You could have a maching shop fabricate one by turning a piece of round stock just a little larger than the bore of the cylinders. First turn a piece of stock of about 3/4" to about .020" smaller than the bore, then turn half of the blank to about .020" smaller than the bore of the sleeves. Cut about 3/4" from each side of the turned driver so that it will go into the bottom of the sleeve if the crankshaft is still in the engine and with a 10 or 12 lb hammer and a large drift against the tool drive them out the top of the cylinder. Or you can do it the hard way and fabricate a threaded thingy to straddle the top of the cylinder and use it to crank the sleeve out. Not recommended by me!

If it is the thin cast iron .040 sleeve the best way to remove them is to use a cutting torch or heating torch to heat a portion of the sleeve from top to bottom red hot and then allow to cool to room temperature and then the sleeve will almost fall out. This will not damage the cylinder wall as long as you don’t cut through the sleeve and heat the cylinder wall.

If you are a pretty good welder their is an easier way to get the old sleeves out. Lay the block on it's side and with a 6011 1/8" rod run a cold bead from the bottom of each sleeve to the top. Do this about 3 times in each sleeve and allow them to cool to the touch. You can then either pull them out with your hand or catch the bottom edge with a large screwdriver and tap them out. Be careful not to weld through the old sleeve. After you get the old sleeves out lightly hone or sand the bore where the heat from the welding may have cooked the carbon to the bore slightly. Don't hone much. The new sleeves must have an interference fit.

Don't try to drive the new sleeves in with the tool that you fabricated to pull them out with as that tool will split the sleeves when you try to drive them back in.

You can take a piece of flat plate of at least 1/2" thick and that will completely cover the top of the new sleeve plus about 1" or so and drive the new sleeves down till they are even with the deck of the block You will know when they are even with the deck because they won’t go any farther. You can make a better tool to drive the new sleeves by finding an old automobile rear axle that has a flange with the lugs. Drive out the lugs and cut the axle shaft off about 16” long and use it to drive the sleeves home. Works great!
.Some of these N guys will tell you to freeze the sleeves etc but it is not necessary. I have done literally hundreds and I quit that freezing bit years ago. Can't tell the difference.

The heat transfer is so fast that the freezing/heating is quickly defeated when the two parts make physical contact. Waste of time.

Zane

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Serial Number..John,PA

04-05-2004 07:03:00




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 Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Philip Hendrick, 04-05-2004 04:51:05  
The serial number might have the "diamond" stamped on the block either before or after the s/n. This indicates that the engine has the cast iron sleeves.

Someone might verify this. I am familiar with the 9n more than the 8n.



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Dan

04-05-2004 04:57:35




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 Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Philip Hendrick, 04-05-2004 04:51:05  
The early model 8Ns used the thin walled steel sleeves from the factory, but many have been bored out to accept the larger cast iron sleeves on subsequent rebuilds. If you have a late model 8N (after S/N 433578), it will be the larger .090 sleeve. If your tractor is earlier than this, I would recommend pulling your head and verifying what you have before ordering.

Good luck,
Dan



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Philip Hendrick

04-05-2004 05:23:50




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 Re: Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Dan, 04-05-2004 04:57:35  
This is a 52 model so I guess it has the 90 sleeves. For making my tool for removing the sleeves what is the diameter of the bore without the sleeves in it. thanks Philip



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Bob

04-05-2004 07:54:54




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Philip Hendrick, 04-05-2004 05:23:50  
Follow Zane's advice, and weld a bead or two in the old sleeves to collapse them. No tool is needed, and less chance of breaking something!



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Philip Hendrick

04-05-2004 09:44:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n sleeves rebuild motor in reply to Bob, 04-05-2004 07:54:54  
Thanks all. I hope this goes well. I plan to practice on the busted block then move onto the block I just bought.



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