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Phlash in Ok

04-06-2004 16:42:29

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Started cleaning what I think is a 40 9N, looks like serial number has been ground off. Nothing there. the cast # on block where starter goes is J156. Does this mean the block was cast Oct. 15,1946? The only cast # I could find on the axle trumpets is 9N406B2. How do I interpet this? The # on the hyhrolic cover is 9N-605 it has a "B" with a circle around it. The front wheels look alike but i found a difference. one is 9N1106 and has a grease zerk on the in side of the hub. The other is Budd9N7 76A3 [no greaser]. I am sure the engine and wheels have been changed over the years. All other indication are "40" model just trying to find proof. If I get it clean I may paint it. Happy N-ing

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roger '40 9n

04-06-2004 19:18:10

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Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in Ok, 04-06-2004 16:42:29

Where are the grease zerks on the front spindles?
I think that they were changed from the front to the rear sometime in late 1940. Another thing to look for is the location of the hydraulic dip stick. Mine is right next to the hydraulic fill plug on the trans cover. I do not know when it was changed to the right inspection hole. My 9N also has the aluminum dash and trans cover.
My front hubs were changed to automotive type before i got the machine. They have brake drums on them -- i do not think that they are original. ;-)

Roger in Michigan

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Plash in OK

04-07-2004 06:35:13

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Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to roger '40 9n, 04-06-2004 19:18:10

Roger, them spindles have grease zerks in front, dipstick is next to filler hole, aluminin dash and tranny cover, I-beam radis rods, starter was originally in tranny cover, I am satisifed that it is a 40 model with a 46 engine. I like to think it was built June 23, 1940 because that is my birthday and I tell people we are the same age. I hope he can get a social security check. Thanks for all the input,I need to pull the head off, hope and pray that it is just a head gasket and not a valve job. but while i'm working on it good time to put in a thermostat, replace clutch, fix brakes and paint. Hope to net it done in time to culivate my "deer" corn.Have an "N" day

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Willy-N

04-06-2004 20:31:17

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Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to roger '40 9n, 04-06-2004 19:18:10

Around mid year they went from the front of the Spindle to the Rear. The Zerk on the Hub is right next to the Flat Part of the Hub on the rear side of the Hub still on the round bearing section. Mark H.

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Duner Wi

04-06-2004 18:35:09

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Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in Ok, 04-06-2004 16:42:29

I have a 9N with zerks on the hubs. Mine might be a 41.

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Willy-N Darn!

04-06-2004 18:44:24

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Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Duner Wi, 04-06-2004 18:35:09

You did it to me again! I just went out and looked they are on the 1940 9N Hubs also. Mark H.

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Phlash in OK

04-06-2004 18:05:52

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Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in Ok, 04-06-2004 16:42:29

Thanks for the quick response. Still wondering about the front wheels. Does any body else have a grease fitting on the inside of the hub? Looks like a 46 engine.

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Willy-N

04-06-2004 18:32:39

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Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in OK, 04-06-2004 18:05:52

I have found them befor on the 2N style Hubs. None on the 1940 9N tho. Mark H.

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Willy-N

04-06-2004 17:46:39

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Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in Ok, 04-06-2004 16:42:29

Where is your Oil Fill Hole? Look at the engines below and you can see a futher back location on the 8Ns. Mark H.

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Gaspump

04-06-2004 17:38:42

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Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in Ok, 04-06-2004 16:42:29

J would indicate September. Letter "I" was not used in date codes. Hmmmm, is that why the letter "I" was used for the number 1 in serial #'s?

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Don in Tallahassee

04-06-2004 17:50:44

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Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Gaspump, 04-06-2004 17:38:42

Gaspump, I am just wondering, The casting numbers are raised letters and the serial numbers are stamped letters. So,if this is true, would the guy doing the stamping of the serial numbers really take the "I" out of his set for the reason that "I" was not used in castings. Could it be possible that since "I" equals September, that Ford closed down the foundry for retooling for the following year? just curious

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Gaspump

04-06-2004 18:30:02

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Re: Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Don in Tallahassee, 04-06-2004 17:50:44

You have an excellent point Don! Of course the casting numbers are cast and not stamped! I guess I was out in the sun chopping palmettos and brush a little too long today. Auto model change over time depended on how big a change was coming and a whole lot had to do with inventory, often was just a week and normally not over two and often in August or even July. Change over in tractors was not the usual occurance, running change orders during the year usually sufficed. Many mysteries in "N" production remain like when was tractor production moved from the Rouge to the Highland Park Plant, when did the each years production end, seems no set date. Have never known anyone to be able to remember and answer the Tractor questions, FMC did not put as much heart in Tractor production as "Old Henry" did! In fact I feel FMC viewed the Tractor business as its "Orphan Child".

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Willy-N

04-06-2004 17:09:08

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Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Phlash in Ok, 04-06-2004 16:42:29

This is a 1940 9N engine. No casting numbers on the block other than the Ser. # also it did not have casting numbers on many other parts including the Trumpets, Lift arms ect. Not sure but I think the early years did not use them on all the parts till later on in manufacturing at least on this early mid year 1940 9n it did not. I see them on 2Ns and 8ns all the time. Mark H.

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Willy-N Pic2

04-06-2004 17:30:06

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Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Willy-N, 04-06-2004 17:09:08

This is a 45 2N Block it also does not have the Casting code only the 8N blocks I have pictures of do. Mark H.

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Willy-N Pic3

04-06-2004 17:36:29

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Re: Re: Re: casting numbers and other questions in reply to Willy-N Pic2, 04-06-2004 17:30:06

This is a 8N Block and you can see the Casting Codes by the starter. I was still cleaning this one so not as nice looking. Mark H.

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