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8n will not charge battery

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Joel (WA)

04-12-2004 21:32:40




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Purchased 48 8n last year with a brand new battery. Tractor starts and runs great for hours then looses power and won’t turn over (battery is dead). Charge the battery and she does the previously mentioned all over again.

Amp meter does not move, purchased a new one and it does not move either. I have read some of the archives, but when it comes to the electrical system I’m challenged. Any ideas on where to start looking for the problem?

Thanks in advance,
Joel (WA)

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ZANE

04-13-2004 06:17:31




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 Re: 8n will not charge battery in reply to Joel (WA), 04-12-2004 21:32:40  
TESTING THE TWO BRUSH GENERATOR CIRCUITS.

First you should carefully inspect and trace all the wires in the charging system to determine if they are intact and going from and to their prospective places.
With an Ohm meter you should determine the continuity of each individual wire by disconnecting each wire individually one at a time at both ends and testing for no open breaks in that particular wire. Then go on to test the remaining wires. Most notably the Gen wire, the field wire and the battery wires. Be sure that the wire that comes up from the starter solenoid from the hot battery cable goes first through the ammeter and then to the junction block and on to the voltage regulator Battery terminal.

If the wires are not connected as they are supposed to be to the right terminals or are broken there can be no movement of current to and from the battery and the generator/regulator circuits.

Generators normally have two terminals. F or field is the ground or "regulated ground" terminal, and A or armature is the Hot or "regulated charging" terminal.
1. measure battery voltage, engine off.
2. start tractor and measure battery voltage, should be higher
3. if you don’t see a big increase in voltage then determine if problem is regulator or generator---to do this--
4. take both wires off the generator.
5. ground the F terminal to the tractor frame.
6.start tractor and measure the voltage at A terminal. if it is 20-30 volts the generator is good. if you have 5 volts, the generator is bad.
7. if generator output is good, run the A terminal wire to the amp meter, then to the battery lug. start tractor and see the voltage is 1 volt above battery and ampmeter show good charge. (just run 1-2 minutes.)
8. this proves regulator is bad if generator is charging without the regulator

Troubleshooting The 2 brush Generator
The 2 brush generator and the voltage regualtor are troubleshot as a system.
Low or no generator output
Short the Armature terminal to the Bat terminal of the voltage regulator. (Do not touch the field terminal )Does output now come up to normal? If so, the VR is probably defective. If not, connect a jumper on the generator field terminal to ground. Does the generator now produce normal output? If yes, the VR is probably defective. If not go on to the next test.
Generator Motor Test.
Do not run engine for this test. Disconnect the wires from the generator. Disconnect the fan belt. Apply a jumper wire from the field terminal of the generator to ground. Apply a jumper wire from the battery negative to the armature terminal of the generator. Does the generator turn? If not the generator is probably defective. The generator should rotate in the direction of rotation same as the engine.

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bj/8n/mt

04-13-2004 04:57:26




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 Re: 8n will not charge battery in reply to Joel (WA), 04-12-2004 21:32:40  
The rest of this post assumes that you have a six volt positive ground system like Henry and the boys turned it out. If it has been "improved" for example by twelve volt conversion then just stop reading here.

First, get a multi meter and read battery voltage at rest. Should approximate six volts. Then read it again at about a quarter throttle. Should approximate seven volts. If either is off post what you do get. If you don't have a multi meter invest ten bucks in one at the local hardware/home center.

Second; loosen the fan belt [if it wasn't tight enough to only deflect half an inch tighten and go back to step one] disconnect the wires and put battery voltage on the generator. Should motor.

Post the results of the above and someone will take you down the road to the next steps. Or you can just throw parts at it.

Your mileage may vary

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souNdguy

04-13-2004 04:53:09




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 Re: 8n will not charge battery in reply to Joel (WA), 04-12-2004 21:32:40  
Not sure what charging system you have.. but have you tried to repolarize the genny / regulator?

Make a voltage reading on the battery before you start, and then afterwards.. also take a reading at the big output armature stud on the genny to ground.. to see if the genny is kicking out... If this is an adjustable genny try adjusting to full charge... get back to us.

Soundguy



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John V

04-13-2004 03:32:39




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 Re: 8n will not charge battery in reply to Joel (WA), 04-12-2004 21:32:40  
Joel, First thing to do would be put a multimeter across your battery when the tractor is running to see if your charging system is doing any thing at all.
John



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Fast Ed Ohio

04-12-2004 23:39:15




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 Re: 8n will not charge battery in reply to Joel (WA), 04-12-2004 21:32:40  
Joel,if you still have the old 6 volt system I would go for worn out brushes in the generator not allowing it to charge the battery, dont know it could be something else .



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