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Ford 9N - Starts But Won't Start

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Ron N

04-25-2004 18:20:34




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I'm interested in buying a 9N, if I can understand why it starts (and then runs fine) with a pull but will not start with the starter. The tractor still has a 6 volt system and has new battery cables and a new 6 volt battery. The battery turns the engine over quite well. It doesn't matter if it's a cold start or a warm start. What do I look for?

Other than not starting with the starter the machine idles smoothly and has all the power a 9N should probably have.

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Ron N

05-03-2004 19:54:41




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 Re: Ford 9N - Starts But Won't Start in reply to Ron N, 04-25-2004 18:20:34  
First of all, I am appreciative of the resposnes I received - all contained valuable insights and technical data that helped in my problem diagnosis.

The actual problem was right in front of my nose - the resistor was not connected to the power source, the wire had been disconnected and was hanging free after the system was changed to a negative ground. I connected the wire to the terminal block and it started, using the starter, immediately.

Some other interesting data I gathered:

1. Voltage on the system with the engine not running - 6.3 volts. Voltage at the starter when cranking - 4.7 volts.

2. Compression: Dry -- #1 90 psi, #2 -- 50 psi, #3 -- 90 psi, #4 -- 90 psi. Wet -- #1 110 psi, #2 80 psi, #3 -- 102 psi, #4 -- 105 psi. How concerned should I be about #2?

This 9N has a high/low range with the engagement device being a pull located on the dash of the machine. It is really geared down when in low range, 1st gear. The previous 9N I owned didn't have this feature and other N's I've looked at recently didn't have this feature. Was the high/low range common on 9N's?

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Bob

04-26-2004 00:16:54




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 Re: Ford 9N - Starts But Won't Start in reply to Ron N, 04-25-2004 18:20:34  
One other thing is a weak coil or low voltage to the coil due to a weak ignition switch, dirty electrical connections at resistor, patched up wiring, or someone has used the wrong (or additional) resistors.

When you pull-start the tractor, full battery voltage is available to the ignition circuit, but when you crank it with the starter, there is a significant loss of voltage available to the ignition system due to the load of the starter on the battery. That is why a weak ignition system will act up worse when the starter is used than when the tractor is pull-started.

Other possibilites: weak battery (even if it's new... check voltage while cranking with the starter), perhaps someone has used resistor (ignition noise suppression) spark plug wires, or a starter that draws way too much current.

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Dell (WA)

04-25-2004 21:11:02




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 Re: Ford 9N - Starts But Won't Start in reply to Ron N, 04-25-2004 18:20:34  
Ron..... ..a pull start in 2nd gear always spins the engine faster than any starter ever will, thus increasing the dynamic compression. While some convert to 12 volts as a bandaid because 12 volts on a 6 volt starter really spins, yer still lookin' at the basic problem. TIRED ENGINE and needs to be rebuilt. $500 for parts or $1500 for a rebuilt engine. N's were designed for horsefarmers, you can operate a computer; you should beable to overhaul yer engine iff'n ya wants to..... ....Dell

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souNdguy

04-25-2004 19:48:01




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 Re: Ford 9N - Starts But Won't Start in reply to Ron N, 04-25-2004 18:20:34  
A tractor that pull starts, yet won't start with the starter.. and even spins over good has the symptoms of low compression.. And if it has low compression.. it doesn't have all the power a N should have.

Do a compression test.. dry then wet.. 5 puffs minimum.. each cylinder...

90 psi is the minimum ford spec.. with no more than 10 psi difference between adjacent cylinders.

While slightly lower compression.. i.e. 85 across the board is lower than ford spec.. still got lots of power.. However if you are seeing 50-60 across the board.. engine is a bit tired.

If wet reading is like 20 psi higher than dry.. rings/cylinders are probably wore.

Sometimes an N that sets a few years will get sticky valves and rings, than might unstick with some MMO soaking time.. however if this is a 'running' N.. sounds like it may need some work.

let us know what you find out.

Soundguy

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