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1st time to install sleeves. Any hints or tips ??

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Sam F.

05-15-2004 22:22:33




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Getting ready to install my .040 sleeves in my freshly hot-tanked block. Besides being SUPER clean, any other tips or hints on right or wrong way to do it ?? Thanks




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Joe Hynes

05-16-2004 23:51:07




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 Re: 1st time to install sleeves. Any hints or tips in reply to Sam F., 05-15-2004 22:22:33  
When I replaced the sleeves in mine a few weeks ago, I tried welding them a couple times and they would not loosen up. So I took a high speed carbide burr and ground a slot from top to bottom in the sleeve and they almost fell out. After removing them I found out why they wouldn't slide out. The rust and corrosion on them was just terrible. As for driving them back in I used the thick flat plate Zane talks about, and used the air hammer to drive them in. I read about that on here some time ago. I was worried about busting them pounding them in. The air hammer worked just wonderfully, and never a worry about breaking them.

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ZAANE

05-16-2004 07:01:16




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 Re: 1st time to install sleeves. Any hints or tips in reply to Sam F., 05-15-2004 22:22:33  
Do not try to peel out the sleeves if they are cast iron. There is a process that cab be used to peel the .040 steel sleeves by starting a screwdriver sharpened to one side to start the sleeve peeling . If this is tried on the cast iron sleeve I just about guarentee a broken block.

Their is a tool that you can use to drive the sleeves out of the bore with. It is best to have the crankshaft removed to insure that you don't damage the journals by striking them. You could have a maching shop fabricate one by turning a piece of round stock just a little larger than the bore of the cylinders. First turn a piece of stock of about 3/4" to about .020" smaller than the bore, then turn half of the blank to about .020" smaller than the bore of the sleeves. Cut about 3/4" from each side of the turned driver so that it will go into the bottom of the sleeve if the crankshaft is still in the engine and with a 10 or 12 lb hammer and a large drift against the tool drive them out the top of the cylinder. Or you can do it the hard way and fabricate a threaded thingy to straddle the top of the cylinder and use it to crank the sleeve out. Not recommended by me!

If it is the thin cast iron .040 sleeve the best way to remove them is to use a cutting torch or heating torch to heat a portion of the sleeve from top to bottom red hot and then allow to cool to room temperature and then the sleeve will almost fall out. This will not damage the cylinder wall as long as you don’t cut through the sleeve and heat the cylinder wall.

If you are a pretty good welder their is an easier way to get the old sleeves out. Lay the block on it's side and with a 6011 1/8" rod run a cold bead from the bottom of each sleeve to the top. Do this about 3 times in each sleeve and allow them to cool to the touch. You can then either pull them out with your hand or catch the bottom edge with a large screwdriver and tap them out. Be careful not to weld through the old sleeve. After you get the old sleeves out lightly hone or sand the bore where the heat from the welding may have cooked the carbon to the bore slightly. Don't hone much. The new sleeves must have an interference fit.

Don't try to drive the new sleeves in with the tool that you fabricated to pull them out with as that tool will split the sleeves when you try to drive them back in.

You can take a piece of flat plate of at least 1/2" thick and that will completely cover the top of the new sleeve plus about 1" or so and drive the new sleeves down till they are even with the deck of the block You will know when they are even with the deck because they won’t go any farther. You can make a better tool to drive the new sleeves by finding an old automobile rear axle that has a flange with the lugs. Drive out the lugs and cut the axle shaft off about 16” long and use it to drive the sleeves home. Works great!
.Some of these N guys will tell you to freeze the sleeves etc but it is not necessary. I have done literally hundreds and I quit that freezing bit years ago. Can't tell the difference.

The heat transfer is so fast that the freezing/heating is quickly defeated when the two parts make physical contact. Waste of time.

Zane

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Bob

05-15-2004 22:34:12




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 Re: 1st time to install sleeves. Any hints or tips in reply to Sam F., 05-15-2004 22:22:33  
Go to the search box at the top of the page and search for "installing sleeves". You'll get a whole mess of "hits" to read through for ideas and opinions. Zane has some of the best helpfull hints for installing sleeves.



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