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cennex tranny fluid ok?

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nut

05-18-2004 07:52:23




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The local co-op has something called: Cennex "quick lift" UTB fluid. The guy at the counter tells me "that's what all the farmers buy, it must be what you need." I thought I'd run it past you guys first. This is for a early 8N. Thanks -nut




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ROland (AL)

05-18-2004 16:36:36




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
Here in LA (lower Alabama) NAPA has GL1 90 wt. mineral gear oil. Don't have the part # with me tonight but I will post it when I get home from work in the morning.

Later Roland (AL)



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nut

05-18-2004 11:46:52




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
Well, I never knew their could possibly be such a controversy over what seems like a simple question. I'm begining to think that guy at the counter had good advice. Anyway, their is a link below that tells a guy everything about cenex's product including spec's. It says it is recommended for use in ford tractors that call for MC blah, blah, blah 134 a,b,c,d fluid, plus about 100 other types.

Also I'm a bit confused on the gear lube, Is just plain old 80-90 W gear lube o.k. or do you have to look for some special numbers on that too?

I don't remember my collage calculas or bio-chem classes being this confusing.

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Lee

05-18-2004 11:37:47




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
Without knowing the specs on the Cennex UTB stuff I can't say if I'd use it or not. As has been mentioned I'd suggest seeing what specs it meets. I'd try to find 90 wt GL1 or Mineral oil. I used the 134D that New Holland recommends in my Jubilee and I regret it. The hydraulics are weaker now and work slower and aren't as smooth as before I changed it. I'll change back to 90 wt next winter if not before. I'd rather let it warm up in cold weather than to have the performance I have now.
Good Luck, Lee

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Lee

05-18-2004 11:35:39




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
Without knowing the specs on the Cennex UTB stuff I can't say if I'd use it or not. As has been mentioned I'd suggest seeing what specs it meets. I'd try to find 90 wt GL1 or Mineral oil. I used the 134D that New Holland recommends in my Jubilee and I regret it. The hydraulics are weaker now and work slower and aren't as smooth as before I changed it. I'll change back to 90 wt next winter if not before. I'd rather let it warm up in cold weather than to have the performance I have now.
Good Luck, Lee

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souNdguy

05-18-2004 11:39:21




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 Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to Lee, 05-18-2004 11:35:39  
The 90wt mineral oil only went in the hyd's of the N as it was a common sump. The NAA has 3 sumps.. diffy, tranny, and hyd's.. the hyd sump doesn't use the 90wt oil.. but instead real hyd oil.. or multi purpose oil, like the 134d stuff.

Soundguy



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Lee

05-18-2004 12:00:53




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 Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to souNdguy, 05-18-2004 11:39:21  
That's correct. Mine had fluid heavier than the 134D in it when I bought it and it worked better. Not sure what it was though. Guess I'll need to do some more research before I change it again.
Thanks, Lee



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souNdguy

05-18-2004 12:19:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to Lee, 05-18-2004 12:00:53  
I've seen lotsa people use 30wt motor oil... Not recomending that.. just an observation.

Also.. many of these other 'equivalent' fluids are a tad heavier that NH's fluid.. perhaps one of those may work..?

Soundguy



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souNdguy

05-18-2004 10:25:27




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
Dell brought up a good point at the bottom of his post, that I will repeat.. in case you missed it.

Wall-mart carries both a gl-1 90wt product.. and a universal tractor fluid.. that states that it meets 134d specs. If you have a wallmart closer than 50 miles to you.. check their before making the hour drive..

Soundguy



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Steve IA

05-18-2004 10:04:54




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
Check out the link below and you decide what kind of oil to use. If the bucket says ' meets or accedes MC134D reqiurements' and that's what you decide to use, get it where you can. HTH Steve 8N 169302



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cargocult

05-18-2004 09:19:04




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 Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 07:52:23  
The whole concept of the proper fluid to use in the N series tractor has caused much dissention on this board! Personally, I prefer to stick with the 90 wt stuff that Henry Ford recommended. Thinner stuff seems to be detrimental to the performance of the hydraulics. Others may disagree. I hate change and figured the original stuff is best. Used the thin stuff a couple of years back, went back to the OEM suggestion! Yes, it's still available! Check the archives for much info. My opinion only. Much flaming has gone down on this board due to this issue and I'm sure somebody will chime in with another side! Good luck, and welcome to the World Of N Owners!!

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nut

05-18-2004 09:46:19




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 Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to cargocult, 05-18-2004 09:19:04  
I'm sure both sides of the discussion have merits. I just want to know if its ok to use this cennex stuff. I want to be sure it won't HURT or DAMAGE the tractor. I'm not going for optimal performace at this point because this is the only fluid I can find within a 50 mile radius of my house!



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Bob

05-18-2004 10:38:07




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 Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 09:46:19  
I can only see merits in ONE side of the discussion.

The tractor was designed for and sold with 90 weight oil in it, and the owner's manual spec'd 90 weight oil as the oil to use.

The only upside to the 134 oil is better operation in subzero weather.

The downsides to the 134 are more external leaks (usually quite a hit with the wife), and poorer lift performance, if anything in the system is less than perfect, as most of these tractors are, after 50 years!

So why use the 134, especially in the summer, when there is NOT A SINGLE ADVANTAGE TO IT?

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134 is buck a gal cheaper

05-18-2004 18:10:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to Bob, 05-18-2004 10:38:07  
Least ways it is at TSC. Well...that is an advantage.



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Dell (WA)

05-18-2004 12:29:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to Bob, 05-18-2004 10:38:07  
yeah Bob yer right, Ford OEM in 1939 spec'd 90wt MINERAL GEAR OIL. Can you buy mineral gear oil? Ford/New Holland now recommends spec: M2C-134D. You would think Ford/New Holland knows a little bitt more about todays modern petroleum products than what was available in 1939.

Following yer lousy logic, you should also use cotton cord natural rubber ag-bar tires and 70 octane white gas instead of todays 88 octane gasoline. What? you can't buy cotton cord natural rubber tires or 70 octane gasoline? Would you iff'n they were available? What? Yer outta specs, Shame..... ...respectfully, Dell

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cargocult again

05-18-2004 15:56:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to Dell (WA), 05-18-2004 12:29:36  
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Dell, I have been reading the posts you make a long time. I have a lot of respect for you, and defended you to those who would "flame" you. But, there is room for different opinions in this hobby! I am personally convinced that the 90 wt stuff does a better job than the thin stuff. I have proved this in my tractor. By testing it with both. 90 works better! True! Now, I don't want to get into flame wars with you, because I like the things you post most of the time. We all have the right to our own opinions. Mine is: Henry Ford knew what he was doing. (Or his engineers) Things have not really changed that much. (Ford is ashamed of how well these tractors are working, so there is a plot afoot at Detroit to sabotage them by recommending bad stuff. This way, they can sell us new tractors that won't last half as long as these old ones! Yes, I know Ford does not make tractors anymore, but FNH does. If you believe this, I have some waterfront property in Nevada that I'll sell cheap.) Seriously, let's try to get along, OK? I Beleive in the 90 wt stuff. Period. Use whatever you wish, it's your tractor, and if it Breaks, just makes all the rest more valuable.

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HEY, EVERYONE!

05-18-2004 21:06:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to cargocult again, 05-18-2004 15:56:55  
Cargocult has some property on Lake Tahoe that he's selling real cheap!!



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Bob

05-18-2004 15:35:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to Dell (WA), 05-18-2004 12:29:36  
The fact remains the newer stuff DOES NOT WORK ANY BETTER and is MORE LEAKY.



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Dell (WA)

05-18-2004 10:09:03




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 Re: Re: Re: cennex tranny fluid ok? in reply to nut, 05-18-2004 09:46:19  
Nutzie..... ....READ THE LABLE!!!!!

Seems pretty simple to me. Iff'n you can operate a computer, you can read the MANDATORY lable specifications. Iff'n it sez: "meets Ford specs for XXX" or sumptin likthat, then yer weird tranny oil is useable. Don't take the saleman word for it, use yer own eyeballs.

DO NOT USE GL-5 spec oil (thats usually the modern EP multi-viscosity diffy oil) 'cuz it has sulferous additives that "eat" N-Tractor hydraulic and tranny parts.

GL-1 is a close cuzzin to 1939 90wt GEAR OIL.

Me? I use the Ford/New Holland recommended spec: M2C-134D hydro-tranny oil. I can gittitt just about enny real tractor store (CENNEX should have it) or NAPA autoparts store, Wal-Mart is reputed to have it also. $25/5gal buckett.

Remember, its 3-drains and 1-fill'em-up by the tranny shifer. Drain the square diffy plug first 'cuz it pees innna big 10 gal flatpan with some semblance of accuracy; then the 3" tranny plug; then the 3" hydro-pump plug..... ...Dell

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